1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:11,654 --> 00:00:15,057 (metal guitar shredding) 4 00:00:22,697 --> 00:00:25,032 ♪ The core of the earth is its womb ♪ 5 00:00:25,033 --> 00:00:26,933 ♪ A fetus for a million years ♪ 6 00:00:26,934 --> 00:00:28,835 ♪ Crawling up from the underground ♪ 7 00:00:28,836 --> 00:00:30,770 ♪ The creature appears ♪ 8 00:00:30,771 --> 00:00:33,538 ♪ Sharp red thorns armored skin ♪ 9 00:00:33,539 --> 00:00:35,474 ♪ Eight legs sharp as knives ♪ 10 00:00:35,475 --> 00:00:37,776 ♪ Breaking glass with its sonic scream ♪ 11 00:00:37,777 --> 00:00:41,979 ♪ The monster is alive ♪ 12 00:00:41,980 --> 00:00:47,017 ♪ Gorantulla Gorantulla ♪ 13 00:00:47,018 --> 00:00:50,321 ♪ Gorantulla Gorantulla ♪ 14 00:00:59,296 --> 00:01:04,265 ♪ Gorantulla Gorantulla ♪ 15 00:01:04,266 --> 00:01:06,068 ♪ Ooh ♪ 16 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:12,005 - [Narrator] San Francisco Bay Area music scene 17 00:01:12,006 --> 00:01:14,106 has always been a mecca for many styles. 18 00:01:14,107 --> 00:01:16,742 From a summer of love and the psychedelic sounds 19 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:18,277 of Jefferson Airplane 20 00:01:18,278 --> 00:01:20,545 to the portal metal of Blue Cheer, 21 00:01:20,546 --> 00:01:23,982 the City by the Bay kep producing talent after talent. 22 00:01:23,983 --> 00:01:26,217 The 1970s spawned such early hard rock acts 23 00:01:26,218 --> 00:01:28,819 such as Montrose with Sammy Hagar, 24 00:01:28,820 --> 00:01:31,221 the Latin flavored sounds of Santana 25 00:01:31,222 --> 00:01:33,757 and, of course, the experimental fusion 26 00:01:33,758 --> 00:01:35,458 of early Journey. 27 00:01:35,459 --> 00:01:36,959 The defining moment 28 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:38,594 for the Bay Area hard rock scene was when 29 00:01:38,595 --> 00:01:41,164 a young four-piece from the East Bay 30 00:01:41,165 --> 00:01:43,165 called Yesterday and Today hit the clubs 31 00:01:43,166 --> 00:01:45,167 in the mid 1970s, setting the stage 32 00:01:45,168 --> 00:01:48,569 for the soon to be identifiable Bay Area 33 00:01:48,570 --> 00:01:50,705 heavy metal sound. 34 00:01:50,706 --> 00:01:53,775 ♪ Nothing but a name ♪ 35 00:01:56,077 --> 00:01:58,912 - Late 70s, early 80s, a lot of bands 36 00:01:58,913 --> 00:02:01,715 would come to high schools and play at lunch. 37 00:02:01,716 --> 00:02:03,115 I don't think they do that anymore, 38 00:02:03,116 --> 00:02:05,451 but Yandamp;T would come to Alameda High 39 00:02:05,452 --> 00:02:08,120 and they would play our auditorium 40 00:02:08,121 --> 00:02:10,688 and they were a big band. 41 00:02:10,689 --> 00:02:12,590 - There were so many styles of music 42 00:02:12,591 --> 00:02:14,492 that were just flowing through 43 00:02:14,493 --> 00:02:15,692 all of these types of clubs 44 00:02:15,693 --> 00:02:18,228 and, like I said, to some degree 45 00:02:18,229 --> 00:02:19,963 that was an advantage for us 46 00:02:19,964 --> 00:02:22,698 because we truly stuck out. 47 00:02:22,699 --> 00:02:24,133 I mean in the Bay Area, we stuck out. 48 00:02:24,134 --> 00:02:25,401 There was nobody playing hard rock 49 00:02:25,402 --> 00:02:26,902 except for Ronnie Montrose. 50 00:02:26,903 --> 00:02:29,438 Realistically, I mean Journey was playing 51 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:31,272 more at that time more spacey, kind of, you know, 52 00:02:31,273 --> 00:02:34,342 almost instrumentally, you know, 53 00:02:34,343 --> 00:02:37,578 oriented kind of stuff before Perry got in. 54 00:02:37,579 --> 00:02:38,979 I mean, they were doing obviously songs 55 00:02:38,980 --> 00:02:40,781 that, you know, singing, Greg was singing 56 00:02:40,782 --> 00:02:42,182 some great stuff. 57 00:02:42,183 --> 00:02:45,418 But, they were a little bit more about 58 00:02:45,419 --> 00:02:47,754 the musicianship and less about the pop singles, 59 00:02:47,755 --> 00:02:49,155 you know, at that time. 60 00:02:49,156 --> 00:02:51,656 - The thing about San Francisco was 61 00:02:51,657 --> 00:02:54,159 it's always been a hot bed for music and entertainment. 62 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,528 It started back in the late 40s, early 50s 63 00:02:57,529 --> 00:02:58,929 with the bebop jazz clubs 64 00:02:58,930 --> 00:03:02,633 and then the beatniks of the early 50s, late 60s 65 00:03:02,634 --> 00:03:04,701 comes into the Summer of Love, 66 00:03:04,702 --> 00:03:05,869 all a sudden and then you have 67 00:03:05,870 --> 00:03:06,837 all these clubs already and 68 00:03:06,838 --> 00:03:08,338 all these magazines in place. 69 00:03:08,339 --> 00:03:11,106 So Rolling Stone started there in the 60s and stuff, 70 00:03:11,107 --> 00:03:13,008 so when my generation got there, 71 00:03:13,009 --> 00:03:14,576 it was the tail end of punk, 72 00:03:14,577 --> 00:03:16,812 you had clubs like the Mab, and the Stone 73 00:03:16,813 --> 00:03:19,547 and the Waldorf and they catered to all these things 74 00:03:19,548 --> 00:03:22,350 so, you know, you had a bunch of fans going already. 75 00:03:22,351 --> 00:03:23,684 You had top notch nightclubs 76 00:03:23,685 --> 00:03:26,086 and you had a media that reinforced it. 77 00:03:26,087 --> 00:03:27,921 - And then eventually Sammy broke out 78 00:03:27,922 --> 00:03:31,224 from Ronnie's band and then started doing something 79 00:03:31,225 --> 00:03:32,858 and he was the other guy in the band, 80 00:03:32,859 --> 00:03:34,393 you know, in the Bay Area 81 00:03:34,394 --> 00:03:36,262 that was doing sort of straight ahead rock and roll. 82 00:03:36,263 --> 00:03:38,763 - As time went on, it was cool 83 00:03:38,764 --> 00:03:41,499 to say, oh, I play heavy metal. 84 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:43,501 In those days, man, people didn't wanna 85 00:03:43,502 --> 00:03:44,903 be associated with that. 86 00:03:44,904 --> 00:03:47,070 That's why I'm like fuckin' get off of it, man. 87 00:03:47,071 --> 00:03:48,305 A lot of these fuckin' bands, man, 88 00:03:48,306 --> 00:03:50,774 you know it's easy to say you were metal. 89 00:03:50,775 --> 00:03:52,176 Back in those days, bands didn't want 90 00:03:52,177 --> 00:03:54,544 to call themselves that. 91 00:03:54,545 --> 00:03:56,646 - It just seemed a little bit more free up here 92 00:03:56,647 --> 00:03:58,648 than anywhere else I had been, 93 00:03:58,649 --> 00:04:00,415 a lot more creativity, a lot more people were more 94 00:04:00,416 --> 00:04:03,385 apt to go out on a limb and do different things. 95 00:04:03,386 --> 00:04:05,086 There were great young bands out back then 96 00:04:05,087 --> 00:04:06,854 that never got a record deal like Broken Man 97 00:04:06,855 --> 00:04:10,224 or even bands like the Horde of Torment. 98 00:04:10,225 --> 00:04:11,926 All these old bands, and Pandemic back then, 99 00:04:11,927 --> 00:04:14,627 you know that were bending what heavy music 100 00:04:14,628 --> 00:04:16,262 was at that time. 101 00:04:16,263 --> 00:04:17,497 It was really cool to be a part of that. 102 00:04:17,498 --> 00:04:20,065 - In the late 70s, you know, you did have bands 103 00:04:20,066 --> 00:04:22,334 like Yesterday and Today that were really going strong 104 00:04:22,335 --> 00:04:24,336 and then there was, 105 00:04:24,337 --> 00:04:25,771 there was even bands that I hadn't heard of 106 00:04:25,772 --> 00:04:28,473 that people mentioned like, you know Earth Quake. 107 00:04:28,474 --> 00:04:29,740 Earth Quake was a very good band 108 00:04:29,741 --> 00:04:31,943 from the East Bay that had several albums out 109 00:04:31,944 --> 00:04:34,244 in the late 70s and early 80s. 110 00:04:34,245 --> 00:04:37,647 You know, Sammy Hagar, who was born down in Monterrey, 111 00:04:37,648 --> 00:04:40,383 you know, he was a rock star in his own right 112 00:04:40,384 --> 00:04:42,952 at the time here in the Bay Area. 113 00:04:42,953 --> 00:04:45,955 - The bands that started that were hard rock 114 00:04:45,956 --> 00:04:48,122 were yesterday and today and this band called Harvey, 115 00:04:48,123 --> 00:04:50,291 that were like black guys that were killer. 116 00:04:50,292 --> 00:04:51,493 They were hard rock. 117 00:04:51,494 --> 00:04:53,962 - Harvey was an all black rock band, 118 00:04:53,963 --> 00:04:57,264 Reggie Harvey, Donnie Harvey, 119 00:04:57,265 --> 00:04:58,699 I can't remember the other, 120 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:01,001 I can't remember the bass player's name, 121 00:05:01,002 --> 00:05:02,702 but great guys. 122 00:05:02,703 --> 00:05:05,605 I saw Donnie Harvey first from the band 123 00:05:05,606 --> 00:05:07,640 I think called Status playing the Lionshare. 124 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:09,908 I thought, man, this guy is great. 125 00:05:09,909 --> 00:05:11,810 - It really shows how bands that were, 126 00:05:11,811 --> 00:05:15,846 more just straight ahead metal, you know, 127 00:05:15,847 --> 00:05:20,852 as far as more progressive metal influence 128 00:05:22,019 --> 00:05:22,953 and then there's bands like, I don't know, 129 00:05:22,954 --> 00:05:24,487 there was like this band Steele, 130 00:05:24,488 --> 00:05:27,557 that, you know, has this kind of Judas Priest 131 00:05:27,558 --> 00:05:29,324 thing going and then was the bands 132 00:05:29,325 --> 00:05:31,760 that were just definitely like, you know, hair bands. 133 00:05:31,761 --> 00:05:33,495 - Well, there was Winterhawk, who were actually 134 00:05:33,496 --> 00:05:37,064 Native Americans and they rocked early on 135 00:05:37,065 --> 00:05:39,467 and they got more generic over time, 136 00:05:39,468 --> 00:05:43,103 but Winterhawk, their first album is intense. 137 00:05:43,104 --> 00:05:45,138 And they got, like everybody else, you know, 138 00:05:45,139 --> 00:05:46,706 like Yandamp;T, like everyone else, 139 00:05:46,707 --> 00:05:49,009 they wrote like more and more commercial songs and stuff. 140 00:05:49,010 --> 00:05:51,176 - The other guy that came out from that area 141 00:05:51,177 --> 00:05:53,178 was Eddie Money. 142 00:05:53,179 --> 00:05:55,281 Yeah, so it was Eddie Money, Sammy 143 00:05:55,282 --> 00:05:59,350 and Yandamp;T that were constantly playing all the time. 144 00:05:59,351 --> 00:06:00,919 - It was just a great scene there. 145 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,520 It was thriving, just great form, 146 00:06:03,521 --> 00:06:05,656 time for creativity, it was wonderful. 147 00:06:05,657 --> 00:06:09,326 - [Woman] Bay Area did whatever they wanted, 148 00:06:09,327 --> 00:06:12,061 but always so respectful. 149 00:06:12,062 --> 00:06:14,130 - So Eric Martin was one of the best acts, 150 00:06:14,131 --> 00:06:15,398 Mile High is one of the best acts. 151 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:16,999 Violation was a cool band. 152 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,800 - MK. 153 00:06:19,569 --> 00:06:20,669 Chumby. 154 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:22,771 - Chumby. - Chumby was great. 155 00:06:22,772 --> 00:06:24,505 - And then there was Violation. 156 00:06:24,506 --> 00:06:25,340 Bleufood. 157 00:06:26,541 --> 00:06:28,208 And Anvil Chorus. 158 00:06:28,209 --> 00:06:29,209 - Right. 159 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:30,178 - Who else was good? 160 00:06:30,179 --> 00:06:31,611 There was Roadrunner. 161 00:06:31,612 --> 00:06:33,680 (laughing) 162 00:06:33,681 --> 00:06:35,582 What other great bands were out there. 163 00:06:35,583 --> 00:06:36,683 Hans Naughty. 164 00:06:36,684 --> 00:06:37,883 Yeah, yeah, they were nice guys. 165 00:06:37,884 --> 00:06:39,117 - They were our biggest competition. 166 00:06:39,118 --> 00:06:40,852 - One of the nicest guys in the world. 167 00:06:40,853 --> 00:06:41,788 - As musician growing up 168 00:06:41,789 --> 00:06:43,255 in our early teenage years, 169 00:06:43,256 --> 00:06:45,790 we were somewhat confused by 170 00:06:45,791 --> 00:06:48,559 the psychedelic stuff that like Hendrix 171 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,528 would kind of put out 172 00:06:49,529 --> 00:06:50,695 and then there was the heaviness 173 00:06:50,696 --> 00:06:52,162 that the Black Sabbath records had, 174 00:06:52,163 --> 00:06:54,798 which had a huge profound influence on everyone. 175 00:06:54,799 --> 00:06:57,834 Then there was the Yandamp;T, 176 00:06:57,835 --> 00:06:59,401 which was Yesterday and Today 177 00:06:59,402 --> 00:07:02,071 because they were hard rock homeboys, 178 00:07:02,072 --> 00:07:03,572 you know, they're right from here. 179 00:07:03,573 --> 00:07:06,407 Then there was like the Genesis influence 180 00:07:06,408 --> 00:07:08,042 and then the progressive stuff, 181 00:07:08,043 --> 00:07:11,980 like Allan Holdsworth and UK and things like that. 182 00:07:11,981 --> 00:07:13,347 That came in, and then Rush. 183 00:07:13,348 --> 00:07:14,881 - A lot of bands were progressive, 184 00:07:14,882 --> 00:07:18,018 they were trying to play progressive type rock, 185 00:07:18,019 --> 00:07:19,919 what was popular on the radio 186 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,388 and they were kind fuckin' snobby, dude. 187 00:07:22,389 --> 00:07:24,624 They didn't like that hard shit, man. 188 00:07:24,625 --> 00:07:25,825 Really. 189 00:07:25,826 --> 00:07:27,626 A lot of them jumped on the bandwagon later, 190 00:07:27,627 --> 00:07:30,395 but really in those early days, my friend, 191 00:07:30,396 --> 00:07:32,430 a lot of those bands, they didn't think 192 00:07:32,431 --> 00:07:34,965 that music was going any fuckin' where man. 193 00:07:34,966 --> 00:07:36,967 - The summer of 79, 194 00:07:36,968 --> 00:07:41,204 I got a call from this producer Bob Hayman 195 00:07:41,205 --> 00:07:43,272 that was doing a rock opera called "Rock Justice," 196 00:07:43,273 --> 00:07:44,941 that Marty Balin had written 197 00:07:44,942 --> 00:07:46,676 and so he actually knew who I was 198 00:07:46,677 --> 00:07:48,076 from this all girl band, 199 00:07:48,077 --> 00:07:49,378 so the all girl band kind of opened 200 00:07:49,379 --> 00:07:51,046 up the doors for me to play with all 201 00:07:51,047 --> 00:07:52,714 these other people, so I did this, 202 00:07:52,715 --> 00:07:54,548 it was a rock opera. 203 00:07:54,549 --> 00:07:55,450 It was originally supposed 204 00:07:55,451 --> 00:07:56,817 to be recorded for HBO. 205 00:07:56,818 --> 00:07:58,819 One of the first HBO videos 206 00:07:58,820 --> 00:08:00,254 that was recorded live. 207 00:08:00,255 --> 00:08:02,255 And it was supposed to be a story 208 00:08:02,256 --> 00:08:04,391 about a rock singer who 209 00:08:04,392 --> 00:08:06,393 gets hauled into court 210 00:08:06,394 --> 00:08:07,760 for failing to have a hit. 211 00:08:07,761 --> 00:08:09,161 So it's basically like a satire 212 00:08:09,162 --> 00:08:10,529 of the record industry, 213 00:08:10,530 --> 00:08:12,865 which Marty Balin obviously knew a lot about. 214 00:08:12,866 --> 00:08:15,933 And then Mike Varney played guitar 215 00:08:15,934 --> 00:08:18,336 and this is before he had Shrapnel Records. 216 00:08:18,337 --> 00:08:20,071 - But yeah, Steel Wind was great. 217 00:08:20,072 --> 00:08:22,272 The band I think Airborne were around 218 00:08:22,273 --> 00:08:23,774 for a minute that turned into Heist. 219 00:08:23,775 --> 00:08:26,376 Some of the guys turned into Heist from Airborne. 220 00:08:26,377 --> 00:08:28,477 They were great. 221 00:08:28,478 --> 00:08:30,079 I used to go see all the bands. 222 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,114 I mean, the early years. 223 00:08:32,115 --> 00:08:34,450 There was a lot of really great stuff out there. 224 00:08:34,451 --> 00:08:36,084 - [Narrator] By the late 1970s, 225 00:08:36,085 --> 00:08:38,219 an every growing choice of concerts 226 00:08:38,220 --> 00:08:41,623 was giving exposure to the European hard rock bands 227 00:08:41,624 --> 00:08:43,190 that came over the pond 228 00:08:43,191 --> 00:08:45,993 to play such festivals as the Day on the Green 229 00:08:45,994 --> 00:08:48,395 or the large venues around the Bay. 230 00:08:48,396 --> 00:08:51,898 Acts like Judas Priest, UFO, the Scorpions 231 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:54,801 and Thin Lizzy all started to inspire 232 00:08:54,802 --> 00:08:57,736 a whole new generation of young musicians. 233 00:08:57,737 --> 00:08:59,905 But what really made the biggest impact 234 00:08:59,906 --> 00:09:04,308 was the explosion of the new wave of British heavy metal, 235 00:09:04,309 --> 00:09:07,812 spearheaded by Motorhead, Saxon, Angel Witch 236 00:09:07,813 --> 00:09:09,214 and Iron Maiden. 237 00:09:17,087 --> 00:09:18,954 - After that school year finished 238 00:09:18,955 --> 00:09:23,959 in June of 1981, I kind of just got, 239 00:09:25,094 --> 00:09:26,994 I got a little kind of disillusioned 240 00:09:26,995 --> 00:09:29,063 with being there and this was the first time 241 00:09:29,064 --> 00:09:31,098 that I could sort of take off by myself, 242 00:09:31,099 --> 00:09:34,367 so I took off and went back to Europe, 243 00:09:34,368 --> 00:09:36,570 to England specifically and that was when 244 00:09:36,571 --> 00:09:38,437 I did the whole kind of runaway 245 00:09:38,438 --> 00:09:41,140 with Diamondhead and going, you know, 246 00:09:41,141 --> 00:09:43,142 stayed with Sean Harris and Brian Tatler 247 00:09:43,143 --> 00:09:44,709 and went back to Denmark 248 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:47,378 and made some money and went back to England, 249 00:09:47,379 --> 00:09:50,115 you know, bought records and found Saxon 250 00:09:50,116 --> 00:09:52,382 and hung out with Motorhead 251 00:09:52,383 --> 00:09:53,851 at their rehearsal studio in London 252 00:09:53,852 --> 00:09:57,020 and went to a bunch of shows, 253 00:09:57,021 --> 00:09:59,422 the Port Veil Heavy Metal Holocaust. 254 00:09:59,423 --> 00:10:01,791 So that was that summer and then I was so 255 00:10:01,792 --> 00:10:05,060 kind of invigorated and so, 256 00:10:05,061 --> 00:10:08,263 you know, fired up by spending three months 257 00:10:08,264 --> 00:10:12,600 in Europe, you know, July, August, September of 1980, 258 00:10:12,601 --> 00:10:15,836 then I came back and I called this guy I'd met 259 00:10:15,837 --> 00:10:18,872 briefly named James Hetfield and then, here we are. 260 00:10:18,873 --> 00:10:20,573 - A lot of my friends had bands 261 00:10:20,574 --> 00:10:25,044 and they were all more like Judas Priest, 262 00:10:25,045 --> 00:10:26,712 that was like the big thing. 263 00:10:26,713 --> 00:10:28,380 And then bands like from L.A., 264 00:10:28,381 --> 00:10:30,149 like that kind of look with a lot of stripes 265 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:32,050 and yellow and red and black and 266 00:10:32,051 --> 00:10:35,887 so I roadied for a lot of friends, 267 00:10:35,888 --> 00:10:38,322 bands like Black Leather, Roulette 268 00:10:38,323 --> 00:10:42,559 and I remember, I had a lot of riffs, 269 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:44,861 but I didn't start a band yet 270 00:10:44,862 --> 00:10:46,062 'cause I was really into Maiden, 271 00:10:46,063 --> 00:10:48,164 but everybody was doing the Maiden thing, 272 00:10:48,165 --> 00:10:49,431 so I was just like, well, 273 00:10:49,432 --> 00:10:51,567 you know, I really don't wanna do that. 274 00:10:51,568 --> 00:10:52,835 I want to try to do something different 275 00:10:52,836 --> 00:10:56,304 and it wasn't until actually roadied 276 00:10:56,305 --> 00:10:57,906 for my friend's band Roulette 277 00:10:57,907 --> 00:10:59,440 and it was a show, 278 00:10:59,441 --> 00:11:02,376 it was Roulette, a band from L.A. 279 00:11:02,377 --> 00:11:05,145 called Metallica, Laaz Rockit 280 00:11:05,146 --> 00:11:08,614 and yeah, when Metallica came on, 281 00:11:08,615 --> 00:11:13,520 it was just like, it was just like wow, this is cool. 282 00:11:14,654 --> 00:11:15,754 You know, it was totally something different. 283 00:11:15,755 --> 00:11:16,556 It was totally different like new wave 284 00:11:16,556 --> 00:11:17,490 or British heavy metal. 285 00:11:17,491 --> 00:11:18,857 Had that kind of guitar playing, 286 00:11:18,858 --> 00:11:20,292 but the drums were supper fast, you know, 287 00:11:20,293 --> 00:11:21,525 kind of like GBH or something. 288 00:11:21,526 --> 00:11:23,360 And I think for everybody, 289 00:11:23,361 --> 00:11:27,131 it was just kind of like automatically after that night, 290 00:11:27,132 --> 00:11:29,232 I think they were like the favorite band 291 00:11:29,233 --> 00:11:30,433 in the Bay Area, 292 00:11:30,434 --> 00:11:31,701 and they weren't even from the Bay Area. 293 00:11:31,702 --> 00:11:33,136 And they even moved up here because of that. 294 00:11:33,137 --> 00:11:34,636 They just felt the love. 295 00:11:34,637 --> 00:11:36,638 - And I think the first time we played the Waldorf 296 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:39,508 was probably 82 if I'm not mistaken. 297 00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:40,676 - Yeah. 298 00:11:40,677 --> 00:11:44,011 - The scene was changing very, very rapidly 299 00:11:44,012 --> 00:11:45,446 at that time. 300 00:11:45,447 --> 00:11:46,281 - It was. 301 00:11:46,282 --> 00:11:48,648 - Music in general, so, 302 00:11:48,649 --> 00:11:52,452 it was a great time to play any club, you know. 303 00:11:52,453 --> 00:11:55,021 The crowd was there. 304 00:11:55,022 --> 00:11:56,522 It was exciting. 305 00:11:56,523 --> 00:11:59,625 We really were lucky to be able to play. 306 00:11:59,626 --> 00:12:01,460 - It did seem to spring up almost, 307 00:12:01,461 --> 00:12:03,595 not overnight, but the metal scene- 308 00:12:03,596 --> 00:12:04,829 - But very, very rapidly. 309 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:06,364 - Exploded really, really quickly 310 00:12:06,365 --> 00:12:07,632 and it was right up our alley, what we were doing 311 00:12:07,633 --> 00:12:09,967 and it was just to walk into a club 312 00:12:09,968 --> 00:12:11,235 that felt like a unity there. 313 00:12:11,236 --> 00:12:13,136 It might sound cliche, 314 00:12:13,137 --> 00:12:15,105 people, you know, kind of dressed the same, 315 00:12:15,106 --> 00:12:16,472 were all there for the same thing. 316 00:12:16,473 --> 00:12:17,707 It was a scene for sure 317 00:12:17,708 --> 00:12:19,141 and you felt it in the air like a buzz. 318 00:12:19,142 --> 00:12:20,343 - Without a doubt. 319 00:12:20,344 --> 00:12:21,777 - And, you know, you went to see other bands. 320 00:12:21,778 --> 00:12:23,478 There were bands around back in the day. 321 00:12:23,479 --> 00:12:25,513 I can remember bands like Griffin, you know. 322 00:12:25,514 --> 00:12:26,349 - Great bands. - Great bands. 323 00:12:26,350 --> 00:12:27,616 - You know, Third Rail. 324 00:12:27,617 --> 00:12:28,683 There was some really good heavy rock bands 325 00:12:28,684 --> 00:12:29,651 doing the same thing. 326 00:12:29,652 --> 00:12:30,918 - Wizard. - Yeah. 327 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,454 - When the Metal Monday first came out in 1981, 328 00:12:33,455 --> 00:12:35,789 yes, the new wave of operation heavy metal 329 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:38,124 was going strong, but I think it was born 330 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:40,827 out of its own movement, right? 331 00:12:40,828 --> 00:12:43,762 The rebellious movement against some 332 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:46,365 of those AOR melodic bands like Journey 333 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:48,300 that were taking out kind of the wimpier road, 334 00:12:48,301 --> 00:12:50,534 no disrespect, but you know, 335 00:12:50,535 --> 00:12:53,504 it was kind of it's own movement. 336 00:12:53,505 --> 00:12:55,039 I think what it would've happened 337 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:55,974 even without the new wave operation of heavy metal. 338 00:12:55,975 --> 00:12:57,207 - A lot of the metal bands, 339 00:12:57,208 --> 00:13:00,177 I mean Metallica was around and Exodus. 340 00:13:01,445 --> 00:13:04,079 You know, real infant stages, 341 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,516 but it was bands like Roadrunner and Head On 342 00:13:07,517 --> 00:13:10,085 and kind of more of the straightforward rock stuff. 343 00:13:10,086 --> 00:13:11,786 - Roadrunner was going on when I was in 344 00:13:11,787 --> 00:13:13,187 the other band as a guitar player 345 00:13:13,188 --> 00:13:15,189 and they were popular and stuff 346 00:13:15,190 --> 00:13:17,759 and then, and head on I thought was the best 347 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,993 of all of those bands, you know what I mean? 348 00:13:19,994 --> 00:13:21,595 They're like, you know, and they were doing 349 00:13:21,596 --> 00:13:23,497 the whole hair thing and stuff, too. 350 00:13:23,498 --> 00:13:28,200 And, you know, their stuff was really commercial, too, 351 00:13:28,201 --> 00:13:29,435 you know what I mean? 352 00:13:29,436 --> 00:13:30,536 They had it all I thought. 353 00:13:30,537 --> 00:13:31,604 - I loved Head On. 354 00:13:31,605 --> 00:13:32,938 I always wanted to form a band 355 00:13:32,939 --> 00:13:34,372 with Frank, the guitar player, 356 00:13:34,373 --> 00:13:37,742 but we, we had already tried to get in for Cinema. 357 00:13:37,743 --> 00:13:39,109 But he wouldn't do it. 358 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:40,177 He wouldn't do it. 359 00:13:40,178 --> 00:13:41,345 We wanted him bad. 360 00:13:41,346 --> 00:13:42,280 - But Head On should have made it. 361 00:13:42,281 --> 00:13:44,915 Head On was everybody's dream. 362 00:13:44,916 --> 00:13:46,115 And so for people mentioning them, 363 00:13:46,116 --> 00:13:47,917 it makes sense because, you know, 364 00:13:47,918 --> 00:13:49,385 they really were inspirational. 365 00:13:49,386 --> 00:13:52,788 - As a singer, I was kicked out of Righteous Sire 366 00:13:52,789 --> 00:13:54,323 for a brief time and then I went into 367 00:13:54,324 --> 00:13:56,058 a band called Malibu Barbi 368 00:13:56,059 --> 00:13:59,194 and was the singer for Malibu Barbi. 369 00:13:59,195 --> 00:14:00,227 - [Interviewer] They were an all girl band. 370 00:14:00,228 --> 00:14:01,063 - They were. 371 00:14:01,063 --> 00:14:01,997 As a matter of fact, 372 00:14:01,998 --> 00:14:03,197 I'm on Wikipedia as the singer 373 00:14:03,198 --> 00:14:04,865 for an all-girl band. 374 00:14:04,866 --> 00:14:07,033 Yeah, I'm pretty famous for that. 375 00:14:07,034 --> 00:14:08,969 - When I first got here I fell into 376 00:14:08,970 --> 00:14:11,071 hanging out with people like that, 377 00:14:11,072 --> 00:14:12,906 I hung out with Journey and I had the privilege 378 00:14:12,907 --> 00:14:14,106 of meeting Grace Slick, 379 00:14:14,107 --> 00:14:15,774 so it was kind of that arena rock thing 380 00:14:15,775 --> 00:14:18,377 and then I auditioned for a band called the New Girl 381 00:14:18,378 --> 00:14:21,846 and the rehearsal studio was I Hate Ashbury, 382 00:14:21,847 --> 00:14:23,715 which is really cool to me 383 00:14:23,716 --> 00:14:24,983 coming from upstate New York. 384 00:14:24,984 --> 00:14:26,084 It was like Hendrix, Joplin, Grace Slick, 385 00:14:26,085 --> 00:14:27,284 you know hippie town. 386 00:14:27,285 --> 00:14:28,685 So when I went there, it was just 387 00:14:28,686 --> 00:14:29,920 the breeding ground. 388 00:14:29,921 --> 00:14:31,154 I mean that's where Metallica, 389 00:14:31,155 --> 00:14:32,756 we used to eat at the same pizza shop 390 00:14:32,757 --> 00:14:34,190 and Exodus and Testament, 391 00:14:34,191 --> 00:14:37,293 it was that hard core scene that I got thrown into 392 00:14:37,294 --> 00:14:40,996 and I was also a late bloomer to Dio and Sabbath. 393 00:14:40,997 --> 00:14:43,665 So, that was a whole new world for me. 394 00:14:43,666 --> 00:14:45,166 It was pretty incredible. 395 00:14:45,167 --> 00:14:48,435 - Really, we had no idea what was happening, 396 00:14:48,436 --> 00:14:50,571 that we were creating something in the Bay Area 397 00:14:50,572 --> 00:14:55,576 Vicious Rumors, Death Angel, Legacy became Testament, 398 00:14:56,744 --> 00:15:00,713 Damage, Laaz Rockit, you know what I mean. 399 00:15:00,714 --> 00:15:02,981 The list goes on, Forbidden. 400 00:15:02,982 --> 00:15:05,050 - Everyone thought that were like like 401 00:15:05,051 --> 00:15:06,685 in this secret little club almost, 402 00:15:06,686 --> 00:15:08,352 you know, you'd see people dressed like this 403 00:15:08,353 --> 00:15:09,820 and then whatever. 404 00:15:09,821 --> 00:15:11,989 It wasn't total mainstream and on the radio all the time, 405 00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:13,824 so we felt that were jumping in 406 00:15:13,825 --> 00:15:15,325 on the ground floor of something 407 00:15:15,326 --> 00:15:18,862 that was a little bit below the radar, you know. 408 00:15:18,863 --> 00:15:21,531 - And it was changing very rapidly at that, 409 00:15:21,532 --> 00:15:22,765 at that time. 410 00:15:22,766 --> 00:15:25,234 Through the early 80s, all the way through 411 00:15:25,235 --> 00:15:28,037 to the end, it was changing, you know. 412 00:15:28,038 --> 00:15:30,571 - We were all discovering, 413 00:15:30,572 --> 00:15:32,073 these English bands that were starting 414 00:15:32,074 --> 00:15:35,976 to come over in 1980 and Def Lepperd played in May 415 00:15:35,977 --> 00:15:39,679 with Pat Travers, Scorpions played in May 1980. 416 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,782 - The first time I heard Merciful Fate 417 00:15:41,783 --> 00:15:44,483 and King Diamond's voice, I'm like what is this? 418 00:15:44,484 --> 00:15:46,452 And the changes, the guitar changes, 419 00:15:46,453 --> 00:15:48,721 nobody ever did stuff like that. 420 00:15:48,722 --> 00:15:51,523 It was kind of like pretty much, you know, 421 00:15:51,524 --> 00:15:54,492 the song's got 4:4 time, it's got a bridge in it, 422 00:15:54,493 --> 00:15:57,261 it's got a chorus and then maybe a lead section and end. 423 00:15:57,262 --> 00:15:58,495 That was the first time where there was 424 00:15:58,496 --> 00:16:00,164 a total change in the middle of the song, 425 00:16:00,165 --> 00:16:01,665 you know, that went somewhere else 426 00:16:01,666 --> 00:16:03,599 and I think a lot of. 427 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,435 - Journey. 428 00:16:04,435 --> 00:16:05,269 - It was. 429 00:16:05,270 --> 00:16:06,536 A total, it still is. 430 00:16:06,537 --> 00:16:07,970 You know, those were the types of things 431 00:16:07,971 --> 00:16:10,106 that formed thrash metal. 432 00:16:10,107 --> 00:16:13,475 You know, we were like let's have changes like this, 433 00:16:13,476 --> 00:16:14,676 you know, let's go- 434 00:16:14,677 --> 00:16:16,445 - Come out of nowhere, but totally fit. 435 00:16:16,446 --> 00:16:18,045 - Right, except it still fit. 436 00:16:18,046 --> 00:16:19,580 - I don't think there's any one event 437 00:16:19,581 --> 00:16:21,450 that brought 438 00:16:23,351 --> 00:16:28,254 that created sort of the Bay Area metal movement 439 00:16:28,255 --> 00:16:30,523 or thrash movement or whatever. 440 00:16:30,524 --> 00:16:33,525 I think everybody got inspired 441 00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:35,727 around the same time, 442 00:16:35,728 --> 00:16:37,029 so it was certainly the new wave 443 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:38,196 of British heavy metal. 444 00:16:38,197 --> 00:16:40,565 You know, I was inspired by that 445 00:16:40,566 --> 00:16:42,800 and a lot of other people were inspired by that. 446 00:16:42,801 --> 00:16:45,502 Saxon, bands like Iron Maiden, of course. 447 00:16:45,503 --> 00:16:47,437 You know, Tygers of Pan Tang. 448 00:16:47,438 --> 00:16:49,840 Those bands were a big influence on rock bands 449 00:16:49,841 --> 00:16:52,575 with the foundation, of course, 450 00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:54,343 with bands like Judas Priest, Scorpions 451 00:16:54,344 --> 00:16:55,744 and Deep Purple, 452 00:16:55,745 --> 00:16:58,314 but the new wave of British heavy metal 453 00:16:58,315 --> 00:16:59,848 was the icing on the cake. 454 00:16:59,849 --> 00:17:02,150 - July, Judas Priest finally played 455 00:17:02,151 --> 00:17:05,053 a big show at the Warfield, 1980. 456 00:17:05,054 --> 00:17:06,353 That was huge. 457 00:17:06,354 --> 00:17:08,256 That was a huge metal scene. 458 00:17:09,457 --> 00:17:11,492 You know, whoever we'd get on tour. 459 00:17:11,493 --> 00:17:14,360 The really, the biggest one really didn't happen 460 00:17:14,361 --> 00:17:17,964 till July of 1981 when Motorhead arrived. 461 00:17:17,965 --> 00:17:19,165 That changed everything. 462 00:17:19,166 --> 00:17:21,099 - We were so interested in what was going on 463 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:23,735 in other parts of the world, 464 00:17:23,736 --> 00:17:25,237 what they were doing musically, 465 00:17:25,238 --> 00:17:27,605 new wave of British, I mean we all loved Def Lepperd, 466 00:17:27,606 --> 00:17:29,473 Tygers of Pan Tang. 467 00:17:29,474 --> 00:17:30,908 Tokyo Blade. 468 00:17:30,909 --> 00:17:32,343 Angel Witch. 469 00:17:32,344 --> 00:17:34,244 Crocus, I mean we loved all of those bands. 470 00:17:34,245 --> 00:17:35,745 Totally. 471 00:17:35,746 --> 00:17:37,747 And those are the bands we modeled ourselves after. 472 00:17:37,748 --> 00:17:39,716 - It was actually very enticing 473 00:17:39,717 --> 00:17:44,253 to be part of the scene, like it was between 83 474 00:17:44,254 --> 00:17:46,522 and 88 up there for whatever 475 00:17:46,523 --> 00:17:50,958 just because it was as loud, as crazy, 476 00:17:50,959 --> 00:17:55,762 as partying, as any scene going on in music 477 00:17:55,763 --> 00:17:57,497 and we always kind of felt like the underdog, 478 00:17:57,498 --> 00:18:00,333 like the, you know, the stepchild 479 00:18:00,334 --> 00:18:01,967 or however you wanna put it in terms 480 00:18:01,968 --> 00:18:03,802 of these other markets. 481 00:18:03,803 --> 00:18:06,172 And we sort of embodied that and we embraced it 482 00:18:06,173 --> 00:18:07,739 because we're gonna go after it harder, 483 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:09,641 we're gonna party harder, 484 00:18:09,642 --> 00:18:12,744 we're gonna be way crazier than you people. 485 00:18:12,745 --> 00:18:14,444 You know, if you want crazy, 486 00:18:14,445 --> 00:18:16,880 we're gonna bring crazy in and we certainly did. 487 00:18:16,881 --> 00:18:19,016 - There were some, yeah, some great thrash bands 488 00:18:19,017 --> 00:18:22,185 and Legacy involved into Testament. 489 00:18:22,186 --> 00:18:25,021 I liked the more progressive bands 490 00:18:25,022 --> 00:18:26,989 like Blind Illusion could go off, 491 00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:28,957 could be everything from thrash 492 00:18:28,958 --> 00:18:33,595 to these intense, you know, Les Claybull 493 00:18:33,596 --> 00:18:37,198 inspired jam sessions and Anvil Chorus 494 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:38,499 was, of course, hard rock. 495 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:41,702 - And the scene was so big and thriving 496 00:18:41,703 --> 00:18:43,136 because we were all in high school. 497 00:18:43,137 --> 00:18:44,971 So you had that high school word of mouth 498 00:18:44,972 --> 00:18:46,239 that you don't get with these newer band. 499 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,440 You say it ain't like it used to be. 500 00:18:47,441 --> 00:18:49,408 It's 'cause we were all fucking kids, dude. 501 00:18:49,409 --> 00:18:50,776 Like everybody told everybody. 502 00:18:50,777 --> 00:18:52,978 They had kegger parties and we tore down fences 503 00:18:52,979 --> 00:18:54,379 and it was way different. 504 00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:56,080 Things were crazy, you know. 505 00:18:56,081 --> 00:18:57,748 A bunch of kids raging. 506 00:18:57,749 --> 00:18:59,083 So you don't have that. 507 00:18:59,084 --> 00:19:03,620 - There was Anvil Chorus and then was a band 508 00:19:03,621 --> 00:19:04,821 called Church of Metal 509 00:19:04,822 --> 00:19:05,756 that turned into Metal Church 510 00:19:05,757 --> 00:19:07,857 and went up to the northwest. 511 00:19:07,858 --> 00:19:09,625 - With the Anvil Chorus guys, 512 00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:11,360 they were the Church of Metal, 513 00:19:11,361 --> 00:19:12,962 shortened it to Metal Church 514 00:19:12,963 --> 00:19:15,931 and then Kurt moved back to Seattle 515 00:19:15,932 --> 00:19:19,200 and didn't hear from him for two years. 516 00:19:19,201 --> 00:19:20,435 - [Interviewer] Wow. 517 00:19:20,436 --> 00:19:22,704 - Until they came back with a great album. 518 00:19:22,705 --> 00:19:24,905 But Merciless Onslaught, one of the most intense, 519 00:19:24,906 --> 00:19:26,840 I mean, faster than any, 520 00:19:26,841 --> 00:19:30,710 I tried to get Lars to audition as drummer 521 00:19:30,711 --> 00:19:32,979 for Metal Church in 1981. 522 00:19:32,980 --> 00:19:34,547 He disappeared. 523 00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:37,415 That's the first time he disappeared. 524 00:19:37,416 --> 00:19:40,018 I don't think he was ready to play. 525 00:19:40,019 --> 00:19:42,320 - I showed 'em my songs, to my manager 526 00:19:42,321 --> 00:19:43,888 that ended up becoming Death Angel's manager later, 527 00:19:43,889 --> 00:19:46,123 and my manager now to this day 528 00:19:46,124 --> 00:19:48,292 and Christina Aguilar's manager. 529 00:19:48,293 --> 00:19:49,593 Christina, and she was just a, 530 00:19:49,594 --> 00:19:51,160 had a little record store that she started 531 00:19:51,161 --> 00:19:53,062 at 18 years old, put on Katrina Sudovsky, 532 00:19:53,063 --> 00:19:54,731 put on her own gigs and she just had 533 00:19:54,732 --> 00:19:57,033 this really flair and taste 534 00:19:57,034 --> 00:19:58,533 and was like beyond her years. 535 00:19:58,534 --> 00:19:59,469 So I played her the thing 536 00:19:59,470 --> 00:20:00,636 and I kind of sang the song. 537 00:20:00,637 --> 00:20:01,870 She goes man, that's really cool. 538 00:20:01,871 --> 00:20:03,171 I could get you some studio time. 539 00:20:03,172 --> 00:20:04,773 So I got a little studio time, 540 00:20:04,774 --> 00:20:05,806 made a little demo. 541 00:20:05,807 --> 00:20:07,074 She was friends with Kurt Cam. 542 00:20:07,075 --> 00:20:08,276 She played it for Kurt Cam 543 00:20:08,277 --> 00:20:09,844 and he goes, "I wanna get in production. 544 00:20:09,845 --> 00:20:11,345 This guy's got like a really cool voice. 545 00:20:11,346 --> 00:20:12,712 It sounds like a guitar sometimes or something." 546 00:20:12,713 --> 00:20:14,481 So then I ended up doing a demo with him 547 00:20:14,482 --> 00:20:17,584 and that's how the band started. 548 00:20:17,585 --> 00:20:20,619 - We started playing around 84. 549 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:22,187 We played tons of shows in 84. 550 00:20:22,188 --> 00:20:24,089 Carl Albert was the singer 551 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:27,760 and we played in L.A., up and down the West Coast. 552 00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:30,963 Played with some great bands, 553 00:20:32,097 --> 00:20:33,463 I remember playing with City Kid, 554 00:20:33,464 --> 00:20:34,998 ended up being Tesla 555 00:20:34,999 --> 00:20:38,168 and they had opened up for us one time. 556 00:20:38,169 --> 00:20:40,069 Another time I thought, ooh, man, yeah, 557 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:41,637 we're in trouble, these guys are good, you know. 558 00:20:41,638 --> 00:20:45,274 And, yeah, it was a, 559 00:20:45,275 --> 00:20:48,343 we shared the bill with Vicious Rumors, 560 00:20:48,344 --> 00:20:51,580 shared the bill with Armored Saint, 561 00:20:52,782 --> 00:20:55,816 shared the bill with Loudness, Keel, Saxon, 562 00:20:55,817 --> 00:20:57,785 a lot of national acts. 563 00:20:57,786 --> 00:20:59,320 - Like the guys in Vicious Rumors 564 00:20:59,321 --> 00:21:01,087 had just started their band. 565 00:21:01,088 --> 00:21:03,056 We'd all like be sleeping on couches. 566 00:21:03,057 --> 00:21:04,324 Half the time there was no PG and E 567 00:21:04,325 --> 00:21:05,958 and everybody survived by working 568 00:21:05,959 --> 00:21:06,926 at record stores, which was like 569 00:21:06,927 --> 00:21:08,160 the coolest job at that time. 570 00:21:08,161 --> 00:21:10,529 - That Bay Area metal scene was thriving 571 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:14,065 and happening before Metallica ever showed up. 572 00:21:14,066 --> 00:21:16,133 So anybody who's out of the U.S., 573 00:21:16,134 --> 00:21:17,702 who sees this, just know 574 00:21:17,703 --> 00:21:20,904 that the Bay Area metal scene started 575 00:21:20,905 --> 00:21:22,539 prior to that. 576 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:24,341 - [Narrator] The rise of metal gave birth 577 00:21:24,342 --> 00:21:25,875 to many European magazines. 578 00:21:25,876 --> 00:21:27,510 This inspired the launch of 579 00:21:27,511 --> 00:21:30,312 two highly influential Bay Area fanzines, 580 00:21:30,313 --> 00:21:33,549 "Metal Mania" and "Metal Rendevouz." 581 00:21:33,550 --> 00:21:37,585 In addition, College Station's Rampage Radio 582 00:21:37,586 --> 00:21:40,355 hosted by Ron Quintana and Ian Pelham, 583 00:21:40,356 --> 00:21:42,689 played a huge role in supporting the scene. 584 00:21:42,690 --> 00:21:44,224 Finally, the record stores, 585 00:21:44,225 --> 00:21:47,027 specifically Bill Burkard's Record Exchange 586 00:21:47,028 --> 00:21:50,029 and the Record Vault, not only brought in 587 00:21:50,030 --> 00:21:52,631 the hard to find European imports, 588 00:21:52,632 --> 00:21:54,467 but hosted bands for in stores 589 00:21:54,468 --> 00:21:57,635 and carried all the local bands demo cassettes, 590 00:21:57,636 --> 00:22:01,473 most notably Metallica's "No Life 'Til Leather" 591 00:22:01,474 --> 00:22:03,407 which brought the hammer down. 592 00:22:03,408 --> 00:22:06,378 (heavy metal music) 593 00:22:09,947 --> 00:22:11,414 - I really thought the band magazines 594 00:22:11,415 --> 00:22:12,815 served a super important part 595 00:22:12,816 --> 00:22:14,350 of the metal community. 596 00:22:14,351 --> 00:22:16,251 There wasn't so much that they featured metal bands 597 00:22:16,252 --> 00:22:17,786 on the covers or what have you 598 00:22:17,787 --> 00:22:19,121 or even had articles on them, 599 00:22:19,122 --> 00:22:22,324 but that's at least where my friends and I, 600 00:22:22,325 --> 00:22:23,524 that's where we got our listings. 601 00:22:23,525 --> 00:22:24,525 That's when we knew who was playing, 602 00:22:24,526 --> 00:22:26,060 who was playing Metal Mondays, 603 00:22:26,061 --> 00:22:28,496 who was playing Keystone Berkeley, 604 00:22:28,497 --> 00:22:31,564 Stone San Francisco, Keystone Palo Alto. 605 00:22:31,565 --> 00:22:34,467 - And between everything was this little 606 00:22:34,468 --> 00:22:36,002 black and white rag, 607 00:22:36,003 --> 00:22:38,437 this little thing, all crumpled up. 608 00:22:38,438 --> 00:22:40,472 I opened it up, said, "Metal Mania." 609 00:22:40,473 --> 00:22:41,840 I pulled out this little rag 610 00:22:41,841 --> 00:22:43,375 that introduced me to all this stuff, 611 00:22:43,376 --> 00:22:44,575 I was reading about Merciful Fate 612 00:22:44,576 --> 00:22:46,310 and I said, I've got a, 613 00:22:46,311 --> 00:22:48,413 they're suppose to be as evil as Satan, 614 00:22:48,414 --> 00:22:49,580 so you know, I'm in. 615 00:22:49,581 --> 00:22:51,815 I wanted the heaviest stuff, 616 00:22:51,816 --> 00:22:53,116 so that was my introduction to everything 617 00:22:53,117 --> 00:22:55,886 and I was 13 years old at that time. 618 00:22:55,887 --> 00:22:58,220 - And one day our high school friends, 619 00:22:58,221 --> 00:23:00,623 Tim Karochikov, who grew up in the Ukraine 620 00:23:00,624 --> 00:23:05,594 and he showed up with this 10-page really badly copied 621 00:23:06,929 --> 00:23:09,197 on some cheap copier, a little magazine, 622 00:23:09,198 --> 00:23:11,331 couldn't even call it a magazine 623 00:23:11,332 --> 00:23:13,667 with one staple in the corner, right, 624 00:23:13,668 --> 00:23:14,902 and he called it "Metal Rendevouz." 625 00:23:14,903 --> 00:23:16,904 I said, this is really cool. 626 00:23:16,905 --> 00:23:18,504 This is kind of what we were talking about, right? 627 00:23:18,505 --> 00:23:20,006 And I looked through and I said, 628 00:23:20,007 --> 00:23:21,340 "Manton, you did this?" 629 00:23:21,341 --> 00:23:23,776 And where did you get the interviews, 630 00:23:23,777 --> 00:23:25,911 and he said, ah, and he just talked to some people, 631 00:23:25,912 --> 00:23:27,446 you know, local bands. 632 00:23:27,447 --> 00:23:29,948 There's really nobody that huge or famous was in it, 633 00:23:29,949 --> 00:23:32,216 but the idea was there, right? 634 00:23:32,217 --> 00:23:33,751 And idea and he really deserves 635 00:23:33,752 --> 00:23:36,420 the credit for truly giving us 636 00:23:36,421 --> 00:23:38,355 the kick in the ass to get this thing 637 00:23:38,356 --> 00:23:40,423 up and moving and when we decided 638 00:23:40,424 --> 00:23:43,593 to do another issue, Bill Hale and I 639 00:23:43,594 --> 00:23:45,694 fully involved and eventually I took over 640 00:23:45,695 --> 00:23:47,396 as editor and made it into 641 00:23:47,397 --> 00:23:50,365 what it was towards the end of the 80s 642 00:23:50,366 --> 00:23:53,568 when we were publishing 125,000 copies in full color. 643 00:23:53,569 --> 00:23:55,736 - And "Metal Rendevouz," I mean John and Bill Hale 644 00:23:55,737 --> 00:23:58,739 took photos, I mean, when I was young, 645 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:01,441 these were like rock stars to me as a musician. 646 00:24:01,442 --> 00:24:04,778 - And then "Art Jock," the first real metal fanzine 647 00:24:04,779 --> 00:24:07,246 from Holland, sent me some of their issues. 648 00:24:07,247 --> 00:24:09,215 So I start cutting out pictures of theirs 649 00:24:09,216 --> 00:24:11,150 and then pasting them on my tape list 650 00:24:11,151 --> 00:24:14,219 and then Motorhead played 651 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,988 and then suddenly I have a million great pictures. 652 00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:19,090 It was the same thing in the fanzine scene. 653 00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:22,159 You know, you bop, you had "Metal Headbanger", right, 654 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,360 me, we had "Metal Rendevouz." 655 00:24:23,361 --> 00:24:24,895 We weren't competing. 656 00:24:24,896 --> 00:24:27,530 We were supporting each other and we appreciate each other. 657 00:24:27,531 --> 00:24:29,365 Ron Quintana with "Metal Mania," 658 00:24:29,366 --> 00:24:31,267 we were supporting each other 659 00:24:31,268 --> 00:24:33,002 and appreciating each other, 660 00:24:33,003 --> 00:24:36,605 you know, "Kick Ass Monthly," out on the East Coast. 661 00:24:36,606 --> 00:24:39,341 - Then I put out, I xeroxed copied, 662 00:24:39,342 --> 00:24:43,611 these little, 8 by 11s, folded them over, 663 00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:46,046 because we didn't have enough to be a real magazine. 664 00:24:46,047 --> 00:24:48,014 We didn't have enough to be a real magazine 665 00:24:48,015 --> 00:24:50,216 till much, much later. 666 00:24:50,217 --> 00:24:52,619 But, so we folded them. 667 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:55,020 And they were little metal manias 668 00:24:55,021 --> 00:24:56,889 and Lemmy was on the first few covers 669 00:24:56,890 --> 00:25:00,192 and Judas Priest and Scorps and Yandamp;T 670 00:25:00,193 --> 00:25:04,262 and you name it, but that quickly evolved 671 00:25:04,263 --> 00:25:07,098 in August of 1981. 672 00:25:07,099 --> 00:25:10,066 - We brought in "Kerrang." 673 00:25:10,067 --> 00:25:12,969 We were actually running a U.S. subscription service 674 00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:14,571 for "Kerrang" for a while. 675 00:25:14,572 --> 00:25:17,706 Not sanctioned, but simply, you know, 676 00:25:17,707 --> 00:25:20,209 if you want Kerrang, we'll mail it to you every month. 677 00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:22,143 I brought in hundreds of copies of each. 678 00:25:22,144 --> 00:25:24,946 Each one, and then as far as the fanzines go, 679 00:25:24,947 --> 00:25:26,047 man, I tell you what, it was 680 00:25:26,048 --> 00:25:28,550 like "Metal Rendezvous" magazine. 681 00:25:28,551 --> 00:25:32,519 "The Crucible," was a magazine that we did. 682 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,720 - [Interviewer] "Metal Mania." 683 00:25:33,721 --> 00:25:35,389 - [Bill] "Metal Mania," yeah. 684 00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:36,889 - So San Francisco was just exploding. 685 00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:40,026 They kept doing, our show expanded, Rampage Radio, 686 00:25:40,027 --> 00:25:42,295 so we'd have to have six hours a week 687 00:25:42,296 --> 00:25:45,330 of local demos and metal and metal and metal. 688 00:25:45,331 --> 00:25:48,500 So, and then all the local metal nights, 689 00:25:48,501 --> 00:25:50,701 there was just so many new bands. 690 00:25:50,702 --> 00:25:53,203 When I got back from Europe, I was amazed. 691 00:25:53,204 --> 00:25:56,307 - I think Rampage Radio was really instrumental 692 00:25:56,308 --> 00:25:58,107 in exposing people to metal 693 00:25:58,108 --> 00:26:00,343 that otherwise had never heard. 694 00:26:00,344 --> 00:26:02,312 I'm pretty sure we are the first ones 695 00:26:02,313 --> 00:26:05,080 that ever played Metallica on the air. 696 00:26:05,081 --> 00:26:07,449 You know, the heavy metal scene. 697 00:26:07,450 --> 00:26:09,084 I remember when we got these demos 698 00:26:09,085 --> 00:26:11,118 that we played it all the time, 699 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,156 we just started the whole hey, everybody's God riff. 700 00:26:15,157 --> 00:26:17,824 I think I remember that because he started believing 701 00:26:17,825 --> 00:26:19,025 that he was God. 702 00:26:19,026 --> 00:26:20,594 - I think Rampage Radio and Ron Quintana 703 00:26:20,595 --> 00:26:22,329 definitely had a major impact, 704 00:26:22,330 --> 00:26:24,296 because I remember lots of my friends 705 00:26:24,297 --> 00:26:27,132 were, they told me about Rampage Radio 706 00:26:27,133 --> 00:26:28,934 and I think it was Yngwie. 707 00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:30,836 It was him spinning Yngwie's demos 708 00:26:30,837 --> 00:26:34,372 that really got Rampage Radio known. 709 00:26:34,373 --> 00:26:35,640 - The Record Vault. 710 00:26:35,641 --> 00:26:37,175 The Record Vault was the bomb. 711 00:26:37,176 --> 00:26:39,142 That had the best imports, 712 00:26:39,143 --> 00:26:41,979 the best selection of wall to wall metal and demos. 713 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:43,180 I got the Legacy demo there. 714 00:26:43,181 --> 00:26:44,681 I mean they had Attitude Adjustment, 715 00:26:44,682 --> 00:26:45,915 they had all these great bands 716 00:26:45,916 --> 00:26:47,450 before they ever got signed, 717 00:26:47,451 --> 00:26:48,851 their early demos 718 00:26:48,852 --> 00:26:50,219 and just all these overseas, these bootlegs, 719 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:52,220 killer T-shirts, anything you needed. 720 00:26:52,221 --> 00:26:54,122 I would go spend my entire paycheck 721 00:26:54,123 --> 00:26:55,490 at the Record Vault. 722 00:26:55,491 --> 00:26:58,959 - Everybody made a pilgrimage to the Record Vault. 723 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,528 It was almost like a religious experience. 724 00:27:01,529 --> 00:27:02,730 That place, that was the place, 725 00:27:02,731 --> 00:27:03,931 you know what I'm saying. 726 00:27:03,932 --> 00:27:05,165 That's where you heard all the news. 727 00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:07,667 They introduced me to Ron Quintana. 728 00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:09,402 And you know Ron Quintana, 729 00:27:09,403 --> 00:27:12,372 that was the first person that I heard 730 00:27:12,373 --> 00:27:15,207 call the music thrash. 731 00:27:15,208 --> 00:27:17,009 He was the first person. 732 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,844 First person to play us on the radio. 733 00:27:19,845 --> 00:27:21,979 I love that guy, man, you know. 734 00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:24,215 - We had a little record store in Fremont, California 735 00:27:24,216 --> 00:27:25,883 called The Record Factory. 736 00:27:25,884 --> 00:27:28,018 And the Record Factory was where I'd pick up my, 737 00:27:28,019 --> 00:27:29,619 when I first got there, you know, 738 00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:30,820 my Iron Maiden stuff, because you know, 739 00:27:30,821 --> 00:27:31,955 I was still under the standards 740 00:27:31,956 --> 00:27:34,390 that made Priest accept Saxon. 741 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,625 - We'd head to, The Record Vault 742 00:27:36,626 --> 00:27:38,193 and the Record Exchange, 743 00:27:38,194 --> 00:27:41,262 two different heavy metal stores, you know, 744 00:27:41,263 --> 00:27:42,930 that could actually make a living 745 00:27:42,931 --> 00:27:45,299 off of it being a heavy metal record store, 746 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,801 so the scene was thriving at the time. 747 00:27:47,802 --> 00:27:49,336 This was the place to be. 748 00:27:49,337 --> 00:27:52,906 - When I started going over to London every month or two 749 00:27:52,907 --> 00:27:54,807 and I'd bring back a lot of memorabilia, 750 00:27:54,808 --> 00:27:57,309 the really nice cast metal pins 751 00:27:57,310 --> 00:28:00,346 and patches and all the fun stuff, 752 00:28:00,347 --> 00:28:01,713 so we had quite an assortment of stuff. 753 00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:03,815 - There was a store that opened up in Lafayette, 754 00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:05,283 it was called The Record Exchange 755 00:28:05,284 --> 00:28:08,585 and it was like Lafayette's version 756 00:28:08,586 --> 00:28:11,221 of the Record Vault in San Francisco. 757 00:28:11,222 --> 00:28:13,524 And I remember walking in there 758 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:15,558 and they didn't have like anything commercial. 759 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:17,126 It was just like, you know, they had 760 00:28:17,127 --> 00:28:19,162 Unleashed in the East, they had 761 00:28:19,163 --> 00:28:20,797 the new Iron Maiden record, 762 00:28:20,798 --> 00:28:22,064 and you know I'd never seen that. 763 00:28:22,065 --> 00:28:23,331 I don't even know what that was yet. 764 00:28:23,332 --> 00:28:24,900 It was just like, it just came out. 765 00:28:24,901 --> 00:28:28,236 Then, you know, and here I'm in eighth grade 766 00:28:28,237 --> 00:28:29,804 just going wow, what is this stuff. 767 00:28:29,805 --> 00:28:31,038 It looked cool, you know, 768 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:32,273 it looked really, everything was evil. 769 00:28:32,274 --> 00:28:34,942 - I was virtually living in my Volkswagen bus, 770 00:28:34,943 --> 00:28:37,877 on Polk Street and doing the Record Vault. 771 00:28:37,878 --> 00:28:40,547 After the Record Vault, 772 00:28:40,548 --> 00:28:42,715 I did, I went over to Walnut Creek 773 00:28:42,716 --> 00:28:45,150 and helped Bill Burkard turn Record Exchange 774 00:28:45,151 --> 00:28:46,351 into a metal store. 775 00:28:46,352 --> 00:28:48,020 He was doing like a new wave and punk store 776 00:28:48,021 --> 00:28:49,520 and then we wanted to go metal 777 00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:51,522 and he knew I had done it over in Record Vault, 778 00:28:51,523 --> 00:28:53,424 San Francisco, so we started doing it there. 779 00:28:53,425 --> 00:28:58,429 - I started to search for the imports 780 00:28:59,797 --> 00:29:02,199 and I hooked up with a couple of really cool people 781 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,234 that helped me bring stuff into the country. 782 00:29:05,235 --> 00:29:07,236 'Cause at that time, nobody was carrying it here 783 00:29:07,237 --> 00:29:10,305 and all of a sudden I was with the AC/DC records. 784 00:29:10,306 --> 00:29:13,308 And that was, you know, little old Walnut Creek, 785 00:29:13,309 --> 00:29:17,644 37 miles outside of San Francisco in Suburban 786 00:29:17,645 --> 00:29:20,380 milk toast land and we started to get 787 00:29:20,381 --> 00:29:21,915 all these headbanger kits coming out 788 00:29:21,916 --> 00:29:24,016 from Berkeley and San Francisco. 789 00:29:24,017 --> 00:29:26,385 - When I didn't do The Record Vault anymore, 790 00:29:26,386 --> 00:29:28,187 I did the Record Exchange and we had Trouble, 791 00:29:28,188 --> 00:29:31,857 we have Overkill, we had Metallica, 792 00:29:31,858 --> 00:29:33,893 we had Slayer. 793 00:29:35,128 --> 00:29:37,394 You know, that was another all metal store, 794 00:29:37,395 --> 00:29:41,766 lined up around the corner for these in stores. 795 00:29:41,767 --> 00:29:43,501 - Me and a couple friends of mine, 796 00:29:43,502 --> 00:29:44,734 there was probably about five of us 797 00:29:44,735 --> 00:29:48,104 decided to cut school because we were seniors 798 00:29:48,105 --> 00:29:49,672 and went there to go meet them 799 00:29:49,673 --> 00:29:52,074 to do the in store and we got there 800 00:29:52,075 --> 00:29:53,675 and there was no one there, it was only them. 801 00:29:53,676 --> 00:29:55,844 So, it was just my friends and Motley Crue 802 00:29:55,845 --> 00:29:57,713 and their wanted beer, 803 00:29:57,714 --> 00:29:59,447 so we went and got somebody 804 00:29:59,448 --> 00:30:00,615 to buy some Moosehead for us 805 00:30:00,616 --> 00:30:02,316 and we shared Mooseheads with them 806 00:30:02,317 --> 00:30:04,285 and it was pretty cool hanging out with them. 807 00:30:04,286 --> 00:30:06,486 - So then we have Slayer come to the in store 808 00:30:06,487 --> 00:30:11,492 at Walnut Creek and we let Slayer in 809 00:30:14,194 --> 00:30:16,061 and that blonde-haired dude that played guitar 810 00:30:16,062 --> 00:30:18,264 tackled my Iron Maiden standup. 811 00:30:18,265 --> 00:30:21,266 I had Eddie "Piece of Mind" standup, 812 00:30:21,267 --> 00:30:22,801 and this kid rolled in there 813 00:30:22,802 --> 00:30:24,836 and just jumped on that shit on the floor 814 00:30:24,837 --> 00:30:26,136 and fucked it all up, 815 00:30:26,137 --> 00:30:27,571 so I picked him up by the neck 816 00:30:27,572 --> 00:30:28,906 and took him in the back room 817 00:30:28,907 --> 00:30:31,008 and it was Jeff Hanneman. 818 00:30:31,009 --> 00:30:33,476 I was pissed at that kid, dude, 819 00:30:33,477 --> 00:30:34,677 I was gonna kill him. 820 00:30:34,678 --> 00:30:37,213 And so there was kids back there going 821 00:30:37,214 --> 00:30:38,948 you're mean, you know, 'cause I was like 822 00:30:38,949 --> 00:30:40,182 giving him some shit 823 00:30:40,183 --> 00:30:41,416 and I was like, "Dude, I would never go 824 00:30:41,417 --> 00:30:42,617 to your house and fuck your shit up like that, 825 00:30:42,618 --> 00:30:43,885 dude, what did you do that for?" 826 00:30:43,886 --> 00:30:47,022 And he goes, "Dude, man, you're posers." 827 00:30:49,291 --> 00:30:51,892 You know, and it's all this kind of shit, dude. 828 00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:54,060 - Nick Mars would just kind of stand there 829 00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:55,495 with the shades on, kind of just, you know, 830 00:30:55,496 --> 00:30:57,063 looking around and he was talking 831 00:30:57,064 --> 00:30:59,899 to me and my friends, "So, so, where do you live?" 832 00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:01,366 And we were like kind of creeped out. 833 00:31:01,367 --> 00:31:02,668 And then Tommy comes up and sticks 834 00:31:02,669 --> 00:31:04,903 a Moosehead right up his butt 835 00:31:04,904 --> 00:31:07,371 and he's all like don't do that. 836 00:31:07,372 --> 00:31:09,974 - Of course we sold "No Life 'Til Leather" 837 00:31:09,975 --> 00:31:12,810 and a couple different versions of that 838 00:31:12,811 --> 00:31:15,745 and the ones I sold that were actually in Lars handwriting. 839 00:31:15,746 --> 00:31:20,116 He wrote on each cassette, I remember that, 840 00:31:20,117 --> 00:31:21,684 'cause he was like I gotta write this down, you know. 841 00:31:21,685 --> 00:31:25,087 But they ran out, we'd sell several we could 842 00:31:25,088 --> 00:31:28,656 and we made a promise to the bands back then 843 00:31:28,657 --> 00:31:31,125 that we were never gonna copy these things 844 00:31:31,126 --> 00:31:33,027 and resell them on our own, 845 00:31:33,028 --> 00:31:34,229 that we'd buy them from the band 846 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:35,796 if they could just bring them out, you know. 847 00:31:35,797 --> 00:31:38,599 And we held to that, as far as I knew we did. 848 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,500 - The independent record store for me, 849 00:31:40,501 --> 00:31:42,201 was really about the Record Exchange 850 00:31:42,202 --> 00:31:45,905 and I cannot tell you how many things, Bill, 851 00:31:45,906 --> 00:31:47,340 a lot of them I didn't like, 852 00:31:47,341 --> 00:31:48,308 some of them I did, 853 00:31:48,309 --> 00:31:49,574 but I remember getting Holocaust 854 00:31:49,575 --> 00:31:51,543 and thinking that was the most amazing record. 855 00:31:51,544 --> 00:31:54,246 Bill always had great vinyl and I think 856 00:31:54,247 --> 00:31:57,014 I even bought the Violation seven inch there 857 00:31:57,015 --> 00:31:58,282 and I always thought Violation 858 00:31:58,283 --> 00:31:59,917 was this great Bay Area metal band 859 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:02,952 that Leonard Hayes had produced of Yandamp;T 860 00:32:02,953 --> 00:32:06,456 and I really thought that band deserved 861 00:32:06,457 --> 00:32:07,757 a better fate. 862 00:32:07,758 --> 00:32:08,825 - [Narrator] The Bay Area was long known 863 00:32:08,826 --> 00:32:10,659 for producing guitar legends. 864 00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:14,329 In the 70s, Carlos Santana, Ronnie Montrose, 865 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:17,398 Neil Schon and Yandamp;T's Dave Meniketti 866 00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:19,333 set the bar for guitar heroics. 867 00:32:19,334 --> 00:32:21,969 In the 80s, the pioneer in bringing 868 00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:23,536 new guitar talent to the public eye 869 00:32:23,537 --> 00:32:24,704 was Mike Varney. 870 00:32:24,705 --> 00:32:26,873 His U.S. Metal compilation records 871 00:32:26,874 --> 00:32:29,909 gave worldwide exposure to new talent. 872 00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:31,610 Mike also brought over 873 00:32:31,611 --> 00:32:34,914 the newest guitar virtuoso since Eddie Van Halen. 874 00:32:34,915 --> 00:32:36,814 Yngwie Malmsteen. 875 00:32:36,815 --> 00:32:40,385 All this created an exposure of Bay Area shredders. 876 00:32:40,386 --> 00:32:44,655 Joe Satriani, Marty Friedman, Jason Becker among others. 877 00:32:44,656 --> 00:32:47,224 They all became the latest guitar heroes. 878 00:32:47,225 --> 00:32:50,228 (heavy metal music) 879 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:00,201 - That's one thing about thrash metals, 880 00:33:00,202 --> 00:33:02,971 everybody really like a lot of European bands, 881 00:33:02,972 --> 00:33:07,341 so you have Shanker, Wooley, Frank Marino, 882 00:33:07,342 --> 00:33:09,276 you know Glen Tipton of KK. 883 00:33:09,277 --> 00:33:12,245 So those were in influences on thrash metal, 884 00:33:12,246 --> 00:33:13,713 those kind of guitar players. 885 00:33:13,714 --> 00:33:17,216 - I really think that beyond Bay Area Magazine, 886 00:33:17,217 --> 00:33:18,583 if somebody said to me Brinkerhoff, 887 00:33:18,584 --> 00:33:20,085 what are the most important elements 888 00:33:20,086 --> 00:33:23,555 or who was highly influential in the Bay Area metal scene, 889 00:33:23,556 --> 00:33:24,956 I really think was Mike Varney. 890 00:33:24,957 --> 00:33:26,924 - What happened is I was a guitar teacher 891 00:33:26,925 --> 00:33:28,125 and I made a lot of money. 892 00:33:28,126 --> 00:33:29,460 I was never a good guitar player. 893 00:33:29,461 --> 00:33:31,028 I had the skills of like maybe like 894 00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:32,662 a Punky Meadows or something, you know, 895 00:33:32,663 --> 00:33:34,531 and so I was giving all these kids lessons, you know, 896 00:33:34,532 --> 00:33:35,532 'cause I was a cool guy. 897 00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:36,933 And I had all these kids around 898 00:33:36,934 --> 00:33:39,134 and they were giving me good money for lessons, 899 00:33:39,135 --> 00:33:40,336 it was a good job 900 00:33:40,337 --> 00:33:41,837 and I was like in high school, you now. 901 00:33:41,838 --> 00:33:43,872 And then all of a sudden, is started losing students, 902 00:33:43,873 --> 00:33:46,774 like two dropped out and I'd be like what's going on, 903 00:33:46,775 --> 00:33:48,409 what's going on and then finally, 904 00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:49,877 somebody came to me and said, 905 00:33:49,878 --> 00:33:53,080 "This guy Mike Varney is stealing all your students." 906 00:33:53,081 --> 00:33:54,314 And I'm like, "Well, who's 907 00:33:54,315 --> 00:33:55,582 this fucking Mike Varney guy?" Right? 908 00:33:55,583 --> 00:33:59,618 - It was 1980, and I was a record collector 909 00:33:59,619 --> 00:34:02,154 and was just kind of upset 910 00:34:02,155 --> 00:34:03,456 that there was hardly any metal coming out 911 00:34:03,457 --> 00:34:05,825 and I knew people were interested in it. 912 00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:07,959 But I was having to buy imports, you know, 913 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,929 and America was taken with disco 914 00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:13,364 and taken with new wave, 915 00:34:13,365 --> 00:34:15,165 which is watered down punk rock. 916 00:34:15,166 --> 00:34:17,234 And things were just, 917 00:34:17,235 --> 00:34:21,704 I just wasn't able to get enough metal. 918 00:34:21,705 --> 00:34:23,606 So I decided, well, I'll get my own. 919 00:34:23,607 --> 00:34:24,841 - So then I went to him 920 00:34:24,842 --> 00:34:27,309 and I said something like, "Hey, buddy, 921 00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:29,511 why you stealing all my guitar students," 922 00:34:29,512 --> 00:34:31,013 and then all this stuff. 923 00:34:31,014 --> 00:34:32,247 And then he showed me what a great guitar player he was 924 00:34:32,248 --> 00:34:34,015 and I was like, "Well, that's why right there. 925 00:34:34,016 --> 00:34:35,282 He's a way better lead than I am, 926 00:34:35,283 --> 00:34:36,317 so that's why they're all going to him." 927 00:34:36,318 --> 00:34:39,086 - By the time I was 20, 21, 928 00:34:39,087 --> 00:34:41,354 I had made, you know met Jeff Pilson 929 00:34:41,355 --> 00:34:43,156 and we did that "Rock Justice" record 930 00:34:43,157 --> 00:34:44,924 with Leonard Hayes and Phillip Kennemore 931 00:34:44,925 --> 00:34:49,361 from Yandamp;T, Yesterday and Today at the time. 932 00:34:49,362 --> 00:34:52,164 But by 1980, I had already kind of seen where the, 933 00:34:52,165 --> 00:34:54,199 you know, bread was buttered 934 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,034 and didn't really wanna be an artist 935 00:34:56,035 --> 00:34:59,103 'cause I just thought it was overwhelming odds 936 00:34:59,104 --> 00:35:00,671 of doing anything and I was trying to get, 937 00:35:00,672 --> 00:35:02,205 gonna get married, and I thought why 938 00:35:02,206 --> 00:35:04,141 am I gonna work so hard to be away 939 00:35:04,142 --> 00:35:07,477 from this person that I love, 940 00:35:07,478 --> 00:35:09,645 six to eight months out of the year 941 00:35:09,646 --> 00:35:10,880 if everything goes right. 942 00:35:10,881 --> 00:35:12,648 So like I'm trying to build a house up 943 00:35:12,649 --> 00:35:13,816 at the front at night, 944 00:35:13,817 --> 00:35:14,817 I'm taking the bricks out the back 945 00:35:14,818 --> 00:35:16,117 and not getting anywhere, 946 00:35:16,118 --> 00:35:17,585 so I said I'm gonna do a label. 947 00:35:17,586 --> 00:35:19,354 - I do remember I was so psyched 948 00:35:19,355 --> 00:35:21,156 after that U.S. Metal album, 949 00:35:21,157 --> 00:35:23,023 even though I didn't think it was great 950 00:35:23,024 --> 00:35:24,291 all the way through, 951 00:35:24,292 --> 00:35:25,859 but I did like some of the people on it. 952 00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:29,495 I wrote to P.O. Box P in Navado, 953 00:35:29,496 --> 00:35:31,197 wrote a letter to Mr. Varney 954 00:35:31,198 --> 00:35:33,833 and get some call back from him 955 00:35:33,834 --> 00:35:35,868 and, of course, Varney's legendary. 956 00:35:35,869 --> 00:35:38,203 He'd always call you with somebody else 957 00:35:38,204 --> 00:35:39,771 on the line that he wouldn't tell you 958 00:35:39,772 --> 00:35:41,006 is on the line. 959 00:35:41,007 --> 00:35:42,674 He'd go hey, Brian, what do you think 960 00:35:42,675 --> 00:35:44,608 of like Pete Marrino of Lemans? 961 00:35:44,609 --> 00:35:45,776 Oh, I think he's great. 962 00:35:45,777 --> 00:35:47,378 Hey, Brian, Pete's on the line, 963 00:35:47,379 --> 00:35:49,480 hey, say hello to Pete, you know, 964 00:35:49,481 --> 00:35:50,713 and he was always, you know, 965 00:35:50,714 --> 00:35:52,615 and I used to joke with Varney, 966 00:35:52,616 --> 00:35:54,417 he would always do what I'd call 967 00:35:54,418 --> 00:35:55,652 the ATandamp;T mix. 968 00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:58,120 - I was looking at the state of guitar 969 00:35:58,121 --> 00:35:59,321 at that time and I thought, 970 00:35:59,322 --> 00:36:01,356 God, Europe has got Lily John Roth, 971 00:36:01,357 --> 00:36:02,724 they've got Gary Moore. 972 00:36:02,725 --> 00:36:04,826 They had all these great players. 973 00:36:04,827 --> 00:36:06,327 Then Hendrix and Van Halen, 974 00:36:06,328 --> 00:36:07,628 I'm sure there were a lot of people 975 00:36:07,629 --> 00:36:09,063 that fell in the cracks in between, 976 00:36:09,064 --> 00:36:10,564 but we didn't really have, you know, 977 00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:13,633 a super shredder in heavy metal at that point in time 978 00:36:13,634 --> 00:36:15,335 that was new and I knew there had 979 00:36:15,336 --> 00:36:16,436 to be somebody out there. 980 00:36:16,437 --> 00:36:18,537 So I wrote to magazines state to state 981 00:36:18,538 --> 00:36:20,606 or called the editors actually 982 00:36:20,607 --> 00:36:22,308 and said, "Look, I'm putting a record together, 983 00:36:22,309 --> 00:36:23,476 the Best Unknown Guitar Players. 984 00:36:23,477 --> 00:36:25,043 I think your area's got somebody?" 985 00:36:25,044 --> 00:36:26,511 "Oh, yeah, we got three guys." 986 00:36:26,512 --> 00:36:28,246 So everybody, nobody said we don't have anybody. 987 00:36:28,247 --> 00:36:30,648 Nobody said, oh, we're not gonna have anybody here. 988 00:36:30,649 --> 00:36:31,616 Everybody had somebody. 989 00:36:31,617 --> 00:36:33,117 - He promoted the guitarist. 990 00:36:33,118 --> 00:36:35,719 And so it didn't have to be that metal, 991 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:37,554 but the guitarist on each of those songs 992 00:36:37,555 --> 00:36:40,223 was ripping, shredding like Chumby 993 00:36:40,224 --> 00:36:42,992 and Lyle Workman, they were just shredders 994 00:36:42,993 --> 00:36:45,026 and we all worshiped shredders. 995 00:36:45,027 --> 00:36:46,628 - So then Mike called me and he goes 996 00:36:46,629 --> 00:36:49,264 there's these guys in Chicago called Lemans 997 00:36:49,265 --> 00:36:51,866 and they're really cool and they got rooster hair 998 00:36:51,867 --> 00:36:54,068 like you, like you might just fit 999 00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:55,036 with these guys really well. 1000 00:36:55,037 --> 00:36:56,303 He goes, they need a singer. 1001 00:36:56,304 --> 00:36:58,038 The bass player's not that great of a singer 1002 00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,639 and, but the band is killer 1003 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,307 and it's got that guy Derek Frigo 1004 00:37:01,308 --> 00:37:03,810 and I had seen Derek Frigo 1005 00:37:03,811 --> 00:37:05,378 'cause he came out with Lucy Forbes. 1006 00:37:05,379 --> 00:37:06,745 Lucy Forbes was trying to sell him 1007 00:37:06,746 --> 00:37:07,946 to a major band. 1008 00:37:07,947 --> 00:37:09,481 She brought him to L.A. and San Francisco, 1009 00:37:09,482 --> 00:37:10,716 this is Derek Frigo. 1010 00:37:10,717 --> 00:37:12,917 And Derek Frigo was like 12 years old, 1011 00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:15,953 13 years old and he was already doing coke, 1012 00:37:15,954 --> 00:37:17,255 you know what I'm saying, 1013 00:37:17,256 --> 00:37:19,489 like at 13 years old and he had the crazy rooster 1014 00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:24,027 and he was kind of like a Jeff Beck meets, 1015 00:37:24,028 --> 00:37:25,929 who's the guy with Billy Idol, Steve Stevens. 1016 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:28,464 And he had great Van Halen style. 1017 00:37:28,465 --> 00:37:30,432 - There were clubs to play every weekend. 1018 00:37:30,433 --> 00:37:32,234 I met Mike Varney very, very early on 1019 00:37:32,235 --> 00:37:33,635 from moving to San Francisco. 1020 00:37:33,636 --> 00:37:35,703 He had become a friend of mine. 1021 00:37:35,704 --> 00:37:37,839 He obviously really trusted in my talent. 1022 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,974 When Rude Girl ended, as I said before, 1023 00:37:39,975 --> 00:37:42,009 I literally called him immediately 1024 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:44,378 and he hooked me up with David Chastain. 1025 00:37:44,379 --> 00:37:45,946 - How I got in Anvil Chorus, 1026 00:37:45,947 --> 00:37:47,313 that after I was in "Rock Justice," 1027 00:37:47,314 --> 00:37:49,448 I'd known Mike Varney from "Rock Justice," 1028 00:37:49,449 --> 00:37:51,551 and he had these two young guitar players. 1029 00:37:51,552 --> 00:37:53,753 I was 20 and they were 16, 1030 00:37:53,754 --> 00:37:55,420 so when you're 20 you're already like 1031 00:37:55,421 --> 00:37:58,089 I'm a grownup and 16-year-olds, high school kids. 1032 00:37:58,090 --> 00:38:00,358 It was Dan Meblin and Bob Gillis 1033 00:38:00,359 --> 00:38:03,027 and they were like shredder guitar players 1034 00:38:03,028 --> 00:38:05,462 and so Mike Varney got me into a band 1035 00:38:05,463 --> 00:38:06,997 with those two guys, 1036 00:38:06,998 --> 00:38:09,632 with this other singer named Pete Marrino, Peter Marrino. 1037 00:38:09,633 --> 00:38:11,968 - So Bill Burkard he said, hey, this exchange student's 1038 00:38:11,969 --> 00:38:13,803 over here from Sweden and brought this 1039 00:38:13,804 --> 00:38:14,870 tape into this guy. 1040 00:38:14,871 --> 00:38:15,971 You should hear him. 1041 00:38:15,972 --> 00:38:17,940 So it was Malmsteen. 1042 00:38:17,941 --> 00:38:19,575 - How did it feel dealing with the fact 1043 00:38:19,576 --> 00:38:22,210 that we had Yngwie coming onto the scene? 1044 00:38:22,211 --> 00:38:23,045 How was that? 1045 00:38:23,046 --> 00:38:24,278 Well, let me tell you. 1046 00:38:24,279 --> 00:38:25,947 As a guitar player, it was pretty shocking. 1047 00:38:25,948 --> 00:38:27,348 I mean this guy was pure talent 1048 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:29,683 and he came from another planet, Sweden, 1049 00:38:29,684 --> 00:38:30,951 and he came into our scene 1050 00:38:30,952 --> 00:38:32,552 and just kind of like, 1051 00:38:32,553 --> 00:38:33,787 just turned it upside down, 1052 00:38:33,788 --> 00:38:35,055 it was incredible. 1053 00:38:35,056 --> 00:38:36,055 And this after Van Halen had already 1054 00:38:36,056 --> 00:38:38,357 single-handedly done that, too, 1055 00:38:38,358 --> 00:38:42,161 so this is like when I was mentioning earlier, 1056 00:38:42,162 --> 00:38:44,329 we didn't really realize we were in such 1057 00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:46,898 a special area or a special time, 1058 00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:48,499 but this is one of those moments 1059 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,736 where we kind of realized where I could step aside 1060 00:38:52,737 --> 00:38:54,538 and think to myself wow, man, 1061 00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:56,839 this is something really special going on here. 1062 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,574 - And he gave Bill the tape 1063 00:38:58,575 --> 00:38:59,875 and Bill played it for him 1064 00:38:59,876 --> 00:39:01,110 and I said wow. 1065 00:39:01,111 --> 00:39:03,378 This is great, but oh the guy's in Sweden, 1066 00:39:03,379 --> 00:39:05,780 I'm a young guy, I'm thinking how crazy 1067 00:39:05,781 --> 00:39:08,450 it would be to deal with immigration 1068 00:39:08,451 --> 00:39:09,718 to get some guy over here. 1069 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,151 It just way above my station in life 1070 00:39:11,152 --> 00:39:12,319 at that point in time. 1071 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,355 I thought how can I do that? 1072 00:39:14,356 --> 00:39:16,590 Then like two months later, Yngwie sent me 1073 00:39:16,591 --> 00:39:19,225 a tape directly, just coincidentally 1074 00:39:19,226 --> 00:39:21,828 and I wanted to put him together with Billy Sheehan 1075 00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:23,162 and Leonard Hayes. 1076 00:39:23,163 --> 00:39:24,630 That was the plan, you know, 1077 00:39:24,631 --> 00:39:25,864 that's what I wanted to do 1078 00:39:25,865 --> 00:39:28,300 and then Ron Keel came up to my house 1079 00:39:28,301 --> 00:39:31,702 with his fiance Didi and they were looking 1080 00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:33,337 for a guitar player. 1081 00:39:33,338 --> 00:39:34,972 I said well, here's this guy I'm thinking 1082 00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:35,973 of doing something with 1083 00:39:35,974 --> 00:39:37,440 and I played it for Ron 1084 00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:38,808 and Ron's like oh, yeah, man, that's, 1085 00:39:38,809 --> 00:39:39,876 that's the guy or whatever. 1086 00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:41,044 So I said okay, so, 1087 00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,679 Yngwie was really excited about coming out 1088 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,947 and doing it. 1089 00:39:43,948 --> 00:39:45,414 I got a letter from him somewhere in my archives 1090 00:39:45,415 --> 00:39:48,450 where he's really psyched, but that didn't last two long. 1091 00:39:48,451 --> 00:39:51,452 - [Woman] I loved him so much, 1092 00:39:51,453 --> 00:39:56,291 I had never seen Van Halen live 1093 00:39:56,292 --> 00:39:59,660 so this was extra exciting. 1094 00:39:59,661 --> 00:40:02,929 - Alcatraz, Yngwie had already left Steeler 1095 00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:04,665 and so he'd started to, 1096 00:40:04,666 --> 00:40:07,967 he left to join up with Graham Bonnett 1097 00:40:07,968 --> 00:40:09,535 who was this big huge, 1098 00:40:09,536 --> 00:40:11,337 you know one of his big rainbow things 1099 00:40:11,338 --> 00:40:13,672 and so he had a chance to move up 1100 00:40:13,673 --> 00:40:15,106 and so he was doing this Alcatraz thing 1101 00:40:15,107 --> 00:40:16,941 and Alcatraz was supposed to come out and play 1102 00:40:16,942 --> 00:40:18,710 and Anvil Chorus secure the support spot 1103 00:40:18,711 --> 00:40:21,312 for this show, but Alcatraz canceled 1104 00:40:21,313 --> 00:40:24,381 and so Ian came, Ian Callen and Ron, 1105 00:40:24,382 --> 00:40:26,616 who they were from the Rampage Radio Show, 1106 00:40:26,617 --> 00:40:27,884 Ian came with this idea and said 1107 00:40:27,885 --> 00:40:29,619 well, why don' we just fly them up 1108 00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:31,321 and he can come out and play with you guys 1109 00:40:31,322 --> 00:40:34,456 and he can play with Anvil Chorus. 1110 00:40:34,457 --> 00:40:37,159 And I go, wow, cool, let's do it, 1111 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,261 okay, so Ian gets in touch with Yngwie 1112 00:40:40,262 --> 00:40:42,596 and says hey, we know that you wanna come up here, 1113 00:40:42,597 --> 00:40:43,998 there's a shit ton of fans, 1114 00:40:43,999 --> 00:40:45,733 you should come up here and play for them, 1115 00:40:45,734 --> 00:40:48,301 you can play with this backup band Anvil Chorus, 1116 00:40:48,302 --> 00:40:51,705 you know, their rhythm section will play with you 1117 00:40:51,706 --> 00:40:54,073 and so Yngwie says, "Yes, we'll do it." 1118 00:40:54,074 --> 00:40:56,508 - Yngwie had this band that was called Alcatraz 1119 00:40:56,509 --> 00:40:59,078 and Anvil Chorus was gonna open up for them 1120 00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:00,712 that night at, I think it was 1121 00:41:00,713 --> 00:41:02,947 not the old Waldorf. 1122 00:41:02,948 --> 00:41:04,215 It was that other place 1123 00:41:04,216 --> 00:41:05,883 that Bill Graham had after old Waldorf. 1124 00:41:05,884 --> 00:41:07,117 - [Man] Warfield. 1125 00:41:07,118 --> 00:41:09,353 - Not the Warfield, not the Kabukki. 1126 00:41:09,354 --> 00:41:11,288 It was on Columbus. 1127 00:41:11,289 --> 00:41:12,856 Wolfgang's, Wolfgang's okay. 1128 00:41:12,857 --> 00:41:14,390 I think it was at Wolfgang's 1129 00:41:14,391 --> 00:41:15,391 and possibly it was the old Waldorf 1130 00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:16,959 they were gonna open up for 1131 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,461 and we had done the sound check 1132 00:41:18,462 --> 00:41:21,529 and the entire Alcatraz band ended up quitting 1133 00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:23,998 on Yngwie because he was such a dick. 1134 00:41:23,999 --> 00:41:25,300 So after the sound check, 1135 00:41:25,301 --> 00:41:26,468 I went back to my house, 1136 00:41:26,469 --> 00:41:28,502 who I lived with Ian Callen 1137 00:41:28,503 --> 00:41:30,604 and I was talking to my roommate Michelle Castro 1138 00:41:30,605 --> 00:41:33,140 going, "That fucking Yngwie, what a dick that guy is." 1139 00:41:33,141 --> 00:41:34,475 And I'm like completely banging on him 1140 00:41:34,476 --> 00:41:35,742 on the phone. 1141 00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:36,543 I turn around and he's like standing 1142 00:41:36,543 --> 00:41:37,411 in my hallway with Ian 1143 00:41:37,412 --> 00:41:38,945 and I was like. 1144 00:41:38,946 --> 00:41:41,514 So we ended up having to be his backing band that night. 1145 00:41:41,515 --> 00:41:43,648 - When I was in Cacophony and we were doing like 1146 00:41:43,649 --> 00:41:45,751 the "Go Off" album live, it was the first time 1147 00:41:45,752 --> 00:41:47,519 I felt like I was in a band like Judas Priest. 1148 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,155 This is like really, (imitating heavy metal). 1149 00:41:53,225 --> 00:41:54,625 I was like this is great you know. 1150 00:41:54,626 --> 00:41:57,360 - I remember Peter Marrino saying 1151 00:41:57,361 --> 00:42:01,131 this is a short show, one time, 1152 00:42:01,132 --> 00:42:04,900 so let's skip guitar solos, 1153 00:42:04,901 --> 00:42:07,035 so I got all Yngwie on him. 1154 00:42:07,036 --> 00:42:07,937 - Mary Friedman was around kind of 1155 00:42:07,938 --> 00:42:09,037 from the very beginning 1156 00:42:09,038 --> 00:42:10,571 and he was a teenager. 1157 00:42:10,572 --> 00:42:13,074 I wanted to do something with him, yeah. 1158 00:42:13,075 --> 00:42:16,543 And so we got him on the compilations, 1159 00:42:16,544 --> 00:42:17,744 I did the Hawaii record 1160 00:42:17,745 --> 00:42:19,413 and then he moved out to San Francisco. 1161 00:42:19,414 --> 00:42:21,581 And he had some demos that he'd made 1162 00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:22,816 on a four track or something 1163 00:42:22,817 --> 00:42:24,016 and I thought this is cool stuff. 1164 00:42:24,017 --> 00:42:25,084 - I took all of my shit, 1165 00:42:25,085 --> 00:42:26,019 which is like nothing, 1166 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:27,286 it was like a guitar and an amp 1167 00:42:27,287 --> 00:42:28,487 and small suitcase and said I'm never 1168 00:42:28,488 --> 00:42:29,921 going back to Hawaii again. 1169 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:31,389 I don't care what I'm doing. 1170 00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:33,158 And we had seven gigs in L.A. 1171 00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,093 and one in San Francisco. 1172 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,694 All the L.A. gigs got canceled. 1173 00:42:37,695 --> 00:42:39,263 We get to L.A., we though we were gonna 1174 00:42:39,264 --> 00:42:41,331 be superstars, we were so rad, 1175 00:42:41,332 --> 00:42:42,833 as soon as we play for anybody 1176 00:42:42,834 --> 00:42:44,367 we're gonna get signed right away. 1177 00:42:44,368 --> 00:42:46,068 Look at all these metal bands getting signed. 1178 00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:47,336 They're gonna love our shit. 1179 00:42:47,337 --> 00:42:48,938 All our gigs got canceled. 1180 00:42:48,939 --> 00:42:50,939 You set us up with one gig 1181 00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:52,574 in Radio City, which we did 1182 00:42:52,575 --> 00:42:56,178 and I don't remember much of it. 1183 00:42:56,179 --> 00:42:57,778 But I remember our next gig 1184 00:42:57,779 --> 00:42:59,680 was in San Francisco the next day. 1185 00:42:59,681 --> 00:43:00,981 We had no transportation 1186 00:43:00,982 --> 00:43:03,184 to get to that gig, so we were asking people 1187 00:43:03,185 --> 00:43:05,285 in the parking lot hey, you wanna drive us 1188 00:43:05,286 --> 00:43:06,719 and our gear to San Francisco 1189 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:07,720 for our gig tomorrow. 1190 00:43:07,721 --> 00:43:09,856 And so somebody did. 1191 00:43:09,857 --> 00:43:12,791 Some dude, a cool dude named Ralph, 1192 00:43:12,792 --> 00:43:14,092 and if you're out there dude, 1193 00:43:14,093 --> 00:43:15,360 I'm thankful for the ride, 1194 00:43:15,361 --> 00:43:18,496 drove us all up to the gig in San Francisco. 1195 00:43:18,497 --> 00:43:20,198 We played in Ruthie's Inn, 1196 00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:21,666 which is like a big thrash place. 1197 00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:22,601 - [Interviewer] Right. 1198 00:43:22,602 --> 00:43:23,835 - And Legacy played there 1199 00:43:23,836 --> 00:43:25,769 with Alex Skolnik was in the band 1200 00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:27,637 and we rocked that show. 1201 00:43:27,638 --> 00:43:30,474 I mean it was the best show Hawaii ever had, 1202 00:43:30,475 --> 00:43:33,108 because actually we were playing 1203 00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:34,044 to fans who could probably relate 1204 00:43:34,045 --> 00:43:35,244 to what we were doing. 1205 00:43:35,245 --> 00:43:37,780 And so it was a small, KUSF, was it, 1206 00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:38,980 that the station? 1207 00:43:38,981 --> 00:43:39,915 - [Interviewer] Yeah, Ron Quintana. 1208 00:43:39,916 --> 00:43:41,316 - That would promote metal 1209 00:43:41,317 --> 00:43:42,784 and it would promote underground stuff like that, 1210 00:43:42,785 --> 00:43:44,552 so like the few people in the audience 1211 00:43:44,553 --> 00:43:46,620 knew who we were and to them it's like 1212 00:43:46,621 --> 00:43:49,156 oh, my God, they've arrived from somewhere to play 1213 00:43:49,157 --> 00:43:50,891 and we played a really good show 1214 00:43:50,892 --> 00:43:52,758 and I have great memories 1215 00:43:52,759 --> 00:43:54,260 of that particular show, 1216 00:43:54,261 --> 00:43:56,896 but after the show, we all went our separate ways. 1217 00:43:56,897 --> 00:43:58,097 I don't even remember where the rest 1218 00:43:58,098 --> 00:43:59,032 of the band members were. 1219 00:43:59,033 --> 00:44:00,232 I never saw any of them again. 1220 00:44:00,233 --> 00:44:01,700 Didn't say like see you or anything. 1221 00:44:01,701 --> 00:44:03,168 It's like show is over and then we just like, 1222 00:44:03,169 --> 00:44:04,402 poof, we were gone. 1223 00:44:04,403 --> 00:44:05,837 - [Interviewer] And what was your thought 1224 00:44:05,838 --> 00:44:07,705 when you first got together with Marty Friedman. 1225 00:44:07,706 --> 00:44:10,841 - [Woman] It only took a few minutes 1226 00:44:10,842 --> 00:44:15,178 for me to know he was a genius 1227 00:44:15,179 --> 00:44:18,281 and I wanted to learn from him. 1228 00:44:18,282 --> 00:44:19,949 - I remember being at Hunt and Sound 1229 00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:21,850 in Santa Fe with Dean Castranova, 1230 00:44:21,851 --> 00:44:25,320 Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Jimmy Oshi and me 1231 00:44:25,321 --> 00:44:26,788 and we were rehearsing and I was like 1232 00:44:26,789 --> 00:44:28,723 pinch yourself now mother fucker, 1233 00:44:28,724 --> 00:44:30,124 'cause you ain't ever gonna find 1234 00:44:30,125 --> 00:44:32,026 a band like this again. 1235 00:44:32,027 --> 00:44:35,495 - And then Jason Becker sent me something, 1236 00:44:35,496 --> 00:44:39,099 he was 16 and so actually I recorded Jason Becker, 1237 00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:40,700 we did "Perpetual Burn when Jason was 17." 1238 00:44:40,701 --> 00:44:42,968 And his parents had to sign, 1239 00:44:42,969 --> 00:44:44,670 or his dad or whatever, his parents signed 1240 00:44:44,671 --> 00:44:46,171 some kind of a guardian type of thing 1241 00:44:46,172 --> 00:44:47,339 to make the contract enforceable, 1242 00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:48,873 you know, 'cause he was a minor. 1243 00:44:48,874 --> 00:44:50,808 And it was really cool. 1244 00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:52,610 Jason was a wonderful guy 1245 00:44:52,611 --> 00:44:54,445 and is a wonderful guy. 1246 00:44:54,446 --> 00:44:55,746 And same with Marty. 1247 00:44:55,747 --> 00:44:58,615 And I thought that Marty had some maturity 1248 00:44:58,616 --> 00:45:00,150 and you know know experience, you know, 1249 00:45:00,151 --> 00:45:02,018 but then Jason had these crazy musical ideas 1250 00:45:02,019 --> 00:45:03,619 and in a technically facility, 1251 00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:05,021 I thought that how great would it be 1252 00:45:05,022 --> 00:45:06,055 if these guys got together 1253 00:45:06,056 --> 00:45:07,056 and did something. 1254 00:45:07,057 --> 00:45:08,523 So they just hit it off 1255 00:45:08,524 --> 00:45:09,958 like a house on fire. 1256 00:45:09,959 --> 00:45:11,226 They're still best friends to this day 1257 00:45:11,227 --> 00:45:12,460 as far as I know. 1258 00:45:12,461 --> 00:45:16,964 - [Woman] After I left Cacophony I recorded 1259 00:45:16,965 --> 00:45:20,234 a bunch of songs that were more 1260 00:45:20,235 --> 00:45:23,770 like Van Halen, so Varney said 1261 00:45:23,771 --> 00:45:28,374 that is why he recommended me 1262 00:45:28,375 --> 00:45:29,575 to David Lee Roth. 1263 00:45:29,576 --> 00:45:31,810 - Alex, definitely with his sound 1264 00:45:31,811 --> 00:45:35,781 and my songwriting and, you know, 1265 00:45:35,782 --> 00:45:37,448 riffs and stuff, together we had 1266 00:45:37,449 --> 00:45:40,284 the formula of what Metallica 1267 00:45:40,285 --> 00:45:44,087 and Exodus have as far as being heaviness, 1268 00:45:44,088 --> 00:45:46,222 but then solo wise, you know, 1269 00:45:46,223 --> 00:45:50,326 we had, you know, the George Lynch 1270 00:45:50,327 --> 00:45:54,096 and the Yngwie and the Shanker kind of 1271 00:45:54,097 --> 00:45:57,966 old school melodicness all put together. 1272 00:45:57,967 --> 00:45:59,601 - [Narrator] The new wave of British heavy metal 1273 00:45:59,602 --> 00:46:01,202 certainly changed the environment 1274 00:46:01,203 --> 00:46:03,037 of the Bay Area metal scene. 1275 00:46:03,038 --> 00:46:05,906 The young new bands took this European sound 1276 00:46:05,907 --> 00:46:09,576 and elevated it to more aggressive and faster levels. 1277 00:46:09,577 --> 00:46:12,311 Led by the arrival of Metallica from Los Angeles 1278 00:46:12,312 --> 00:46:15,047 and the local rebels, Exodus, they were 1279 00:46:15,048 --> 00:46:17,716 soon followed by Death Angel and Legacy, 1280 00:46:17,717 --> 00:46:19,551 who later became Testament. 1281 00:46:19,552 --> 00:46:22,555 (heavy metal music) 1282 00:46:26,257 --> 00:46:28,993 - You know Slayer started coming up here. 1283 00:46:28,994 --> 00:46:31,061 Death Angel popped up. 1284 00:46:31,062 --> 00:46:32,929 Actually they were playing like the clubs 1285 00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:35,765 like a year before us and then Exodus, of course, 1286 00:46:35,766 --> 00:46:38,266 and then Legacy and then Forbid 1287 00:46:38,267 --> 00:46:39,601 and the Violence, it just all was like 1288 00:46:39,602 --> 00:46:43,805 a, it just all happened so quick, it was weird. 1289 00:46:43,806 --> 00:46:45,973 You know all of a sudden we had this new scene. 1290 00:46:45,974 --> 00:46:47,208 - Nobody knew what it was yet 1291 00:46:47,209 --> 00:46:48,709 and nobody knew how to contain it 1292 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:52,612 and nobody knew how to security it. 1293 00:46:52,613 --> 00:46:54,014 - And then Metallica comes on 1294 00:46:54,015 --> 00:46:56,616 and it all kind of fit together 1295 00:46:56,617 --> 00:46:57,717 and gelled really well, 1296 00:46:57,718 --> 00:46:58,951 so those two bands were actually 1297 00:46:58,952 --> 00:47:02,187 very much spearheading what was to become 1298 00:47:02,188 --> 00:47:06,357 this new Bay Area thrash thing, you know. 1299 00:47:06,358 --> 00:47:09,127 My band, Anvil Chorus was doing 1300 00:47:09,128 --> 00:47:10,628 like this pompous kind of keyboardy thing 1301 00:47:10,629 --> 00:47:12,430 and, you know, it was fun, 1302 00:47:12,431 --> 00:47:15,065 when I saw all this, 1303 00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:17,634 what the Metallica guys and Exodus guys were doing, 1304 00:47:17,635 --> 00:47:19,602 it's like goddamn, this is exactly kind 1305 00:47:19,603 --> 00:47:21,103 of like what I wanna be doing, too. 1306 00:47:21,104 --> 00:47:22,438 I've always been like this. 1307 00:47:22,439 --> 00:47:24,740 - A lot of us in Exodus, 1308 00:47:24,741 --> 00:47:28,309 in Legacy and, again, all the other bands 1309 00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:30,345 that were around at the time, Death Angel, 1310 00:47:30,346 --> 00:47:33,214 you know possessed and everybody all fed 1311 00:47:33,215 --> 00:47:34,314 off of that. 1312 00:47:34,315 --> 00:47:36,984 - When bands like Metallica, 1313 00:47:36,985 --> 00:47:38,919 you know even Slayer started, 1314 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,987 they didn't move here, but they would start coming 1315 00:47:40,988 --> 00:47:42,221 up here and playing a lot of shows 1316 00:47:42,222 --> 00:47:44,457 because this is where they would do good. 1317 00:47:44,458 --> 00:47:48,326 And then the fans just adopted to that 1318 00:47:48,327 --> 00:47:50,429 and then you had all these bands 1319 00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:52,764 that didn't really know what they wanted to do, 1320 00:47:52,765 --> 00:47:54,865 but when they heard that, they kind like, 1321 00:47:54,866 --> 00:47:56,867 you know, bands like my band, Legacy 1322 00:47:56,868 --> 00:47:58,536 and just Death Angel and Exodus, 1323 00:47:58,537 --> 00:48:01,671 they all kind of just changed when those bands came. 1324 00:48:01,672 --> 00:48:05,075 And it was like a domino effect. 1325 00:48:05,076 --> 00:48:07,310 There was just so many bands here 1326 00:48:07,311 --> 00:48:09,244 that just adopted that sound. 1327 00:48:09,245 --> 00:48:11,947 - I wasn't interested in the Seattle scene at all, 1328 00:48:11,948 --> 00:48:16,284 but the Bay Area thrash metal scene caught my attention. 1329 00:48:16,285 --> 00:48:19,220 It was like taking what the bands 1330 00:48:19,221 --> 00:48:20,488 in the mid-80s were doing, 1331 00:48:20,489 --> 00:48:22,856 it took it up about two notches 1332 00:48:22,857 --> 00:48:26,860 and it was still hard and guitar driven, 1333 00:48:26,861 --> 00:48:29,061 but yet melodic at the same time. 1334 00:48:29,062 --> 00:48:30,696 - We didn't know that it was like 1335 00:48:30,697 --> 00:48:35,701 the first incarnations of certain genre music 1336 00:48:37,103 --> 00:48:39,471 or anything, you know, but we just thought, look, 1337 00:48:39,472 --> 00:48:41,272 pushed the boundaries 1338 00:48:41,273 --> 00:48:44,374 as much as the next band 1339 00:48:44,375 --> 00:48:48,345 and you're all playing with all the baddest of the Bay. 1340 00:48:48,346 --> 00:48:52,081 - But some of the guys didn't wanna go thrash. 1341 00:48:52,082 --> 00:48:53,516 You know, this was a kid thing. 1342 00:48:53,517 --> 00:48:56,184 The youngsters were like into the new thing, 1343 00:48:56,185 --> 00:48:57,120 which was thrash. 1344 00:48:57,121 --> 00:48:58,687 And the older guys, you know, 1345 00:48:58,688 --> 00:49:00,288 they were trying to like stick 1346 00:49:00,289 --> 00:49:01,556 with that 70s hard rock thing. 1347 00:49:01,557 --> 00:49:02,924 They didn't want the screaming going on, 1348 00:49:02,925 --> 00:49:04,592 they didn't wanna get real fast, 1349 00:49:04,593 --> 00:49:07,194 so you had that kind of shit going on at the time. 1350 00:49:07,195 --> 00:49:09,163 - When trash metal took over, 1351 00:49:09,164 --> 00:49:11,731 I think it fed all the people 1352 00:49:11,732 --> 00:49:13,867 who were into metal that always felt 1353 00:49:13,868 --> 00:49:16,035 that it didn't take it far enough 1354 00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:17,903 and it gave them a platform and something 1355 00:49:17,904 --> 00:49:19,371 to follow and because of that, 1356 00:49:19,372 --> 00:49:21,774 when Metallica exploded, I mean then bands 1357 00:49:21,775 --> 00:49:24,175 like Exodus started getting more noticed. 1358 00:49:24,176 --> 00:49:27,378 Testament finally, that got into form. 1359 00:49:27,379 --> 00:49:31,782 - The 83, I think Blizzard evolved into Possessed. 1360 00:49:31,783 --> 00:49:33,717 - I remember there was that band Blizzard. 1361 00:49:33,718 --> 00:49:35,986 Somebody, please hook me up with a Blizzard demo. 1362 00:49:35,987 --> 00:49:39,155 - Okay, El Serito, Metallica mentioned 1363 00:49:39,156 --> 00:49:41,323 they used to have parties there late at night. 1364 00:49:41,324 --> 00:49:43,192 People were coming. 1365 00:49:43,193 --> 00:49:45,660 There was kids that was starting a band called Possessed. 1366 00:49:45,661 --> 00:49:47,796 There was a lady Debby Bono 1367 00:49:47,797 --> 00:49:49,097 that was gonna manage them. 1368 00:49:49,098 --> 00:49:51,398 There was a band called Monolith that was there. 1369 00:49:51,399 --> 00:49:55,102 - When I started there, I had very little knowledge 1370 00:49:55,103 --> 00:49:57,070 of the heavy music movement up here. 1371 00:49:57,071 --> 00:50:00,106 So guys like Jason from Chaos, Harold O. 1372 00:50:00,107 --> 00:50:04,110 kind of helped refine to me 1373 00:50:04,111 --> 00:50:06,511 what the vision of metal was. 1374 00:50:06,512 --> 00:50:08,413 They kind of helped to stir my interest 1375 00:50:08,414 --> 00:50:10,182 in what was going on because even though 1376 00:50:10,183 --> 00:50:12,049 I was at the Omni and I was primarily booking 1377 00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:13,417 a lot of the hair metal bands, 1378 00:50:13,418 --> 00:50:16,320 I had to learn that genre real quickly 1379 00:50:16,321 --> 00:50:18,656 and so they kind of like hand-held me 1380 00:50:18,657 --> 00:50:20,523 into the situation, so I would, you know, 1381 00:50:20,524 --> 00:50:23,459 going from seeing bands like Laughing Dead 1382 00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:26,461 and Death Angel and all these bands playing 1383 00:50:26,462 --> 00:50:28,564 the Omni and getting that experience 1384 00:50:28,565 --> 00:50:30,299 and getting to meet who Chuck Billy is, 1385 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:31,733 and all these cats, you know, 1386 00:50:31,734 --> 00:50:33,000 when they were coming up right when they were starting. 1387 00:50:33,001 --> 00:50:38,006 It was a time when it almost didn't matter 1388 00:50:39,107 --> 00:50:40,307 what was at the room, people were out 1389 00:50:40,308 --> 00:50:42,843 to see the bands because it was that exciting 1390 00:50:42,844 --> 00:50:45,111 because you never knew when you were gonna see 1391 00:50:45,112 --> 00:50:46,645 the next Metallica at a venue. 1392 00:50:46,646 --> 00:50:48,514 It was that hot back then. 1393 00:50:48,515 --> 00:50:51,450 - I don't think at the time we ever realized 1394 00:50:51,451 --> 00:50:54,252 that it would have the effect that it did. 1395 00:50:54,253 --> 00:50:55,753 Perhaps even to this day. 1396 00:50:55,754 --> 00:51:00,557 The scene that the San Francisco thrash scene created. 1397 00:51:00,558 --> 00:51:02,860 - Well, there was no order back then. 1398 00:51:02,861 --> 00:51:05,529 I mean people would tie string around barrels 1399 00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:06,964 and think that was a barricade 1400 00:51:06,965 --> 00:51:08,831 and they didn't know what they were doing, 1401 00:51:08,832 --> 00:51:10,132 they didn't know what was gonna happen. 1402 00:51:10,133 --> 00:51:12,568 - We didn't see the need to put any kind 1403 00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:13,836 of onus on their experience. 1404 00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:15,437 We wanted them to have that experience. 1405 00:51:15,438 --> 00:51:17,505 That was part of the culture was the slam dancing 1406 00:51:17,506 --> 00:51:19,774 and the stage diving and pogoing, 1407 00:51:19,775 --> 00:51:21,709 whatever, depending on what show you're at. 1408 00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:24,912 So it was our job to make sure 1409 00:51:24,913 --> 00:51:26,747 that everything that was doing that 1410 00:51:26,748 --> 00:51:27,881 were safe while they were doing it. 1411 00:51:27,882 --> 00:51:28,882 - [Narrator] Led by Yandamp;T 1412 00:51:28,883 --> 00:51:30,717 and he major European acts, 1413 00:51:30,718 --> 00:51:33,052 there were many who stayed true 1414 00:51:33,053 --> 00:51:34,254 to the more traditional styles 1415 00:51:34,255 --> 00:51:36,822 with bands like Vicious Rumors, Laaz Rockit, 1416 00:51:36,823 --> 00:51:39,591 Steel, Griffin and the more progressive 1417 00:51:39,592 --> 00:51:41,859 Anvil Chorus and Broke as Hell. 1418 00:51:41,860 --> 00:51:44,228 However, they were often overshadowed 1419 00:51:44,229 --> 00:51:47,399 by the punk and the burgeoning thrash movement. 1420 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,235 (punk rock music) 1421 00:51:55,705 --> 00:51:57,373 - There wasn't too much hard rock stuff 1422 00:51:57,374 --> 00:51:58,707 in San Francisco, it was more punk. 1423 00:51:58,708 --> 00:52:01,444 Back in those days, it was big time punk. 1424 00:52:02,378 --> 00:52:04,045 So people laughed at hard rock, 1425 00:52:04,046 --> 00:52:06,180 people laughed at the hard rock guys 1426 00:52:06,181 --> 00:52:08,116 and the long-haired guys 'cause punk 1427 00:52:08,117 --> 00:52:09,683 was a big fashion. 1428 00:52:09,684 --> 00:52:12,085 - The punk scene was just exploding in London really 1429 00:52:12,086 --> 00:52:13,520 around that time that we left. 1430 00:52:13,521 --> 00:52:15,822 We really didn't touch on punk ourselves. 1431 00:52:15,823 --> 00:52:17,390 I wasn't, I didn't get exposed to it 1432 00:52:17,391 --> 00:52:19,025 till a lot later really, until I came 1433 00:52:19,026 --> 00:52:20,626 to the States, but we always had 1434 00:52:20,627 --> 00:52:21,861 a passion for the harder rock 1435 00:52:21,862 --> 00:52:23,628 that was hard to find on the radio 1436 00:52:23,629 --> 00:52:24,996 and place like that in the U.K. 1437 00:52:24,997 --> 00:52:26,898 I found it refreshing when we came 1438 00:52:26,899 --> 00:52:30,668 to the United States and just the FM radio thing just alone 1439 00:52:30,669 --> 00:52:32,736 and the exposure of bands 1440 00:52:32,737 --> 00:52:34,038 you just didn't hear on the radio in the U.K. 1441 00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:35,673 Was very refreshing. 1442 00:52:35,674 --> 00:52:36,973 - I could just see there was a trend coming 1443 00:52:36,974 --> 00:52:38,841 and so when I joined then in 77, 1444 00:52:38,842 --> 00:52:41,144 that was before Dead Kennedys were known 1445 00:52:41,145 --> 00:52:42,779 or any of that stuff 1446 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:44,479 and so it was the Nuns, Crime and Dils. 1447 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,914 Even Dils was from L.A., 1448 00:52:45,915 --> 00:52:47,349 they had a very San Francisco presence. 1449 00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:51,552 So we were kind of the first, I think punk rock band, 1450 00:52:51,553 --> 00:52:52,920 I think to really kind of do some stuff. 1451 00:52:52,921 --> 00:52:54,622 We were offered some record deals 1452 00:52:54,623 --> 00:52:56,490 and, of course, we didn't take any of them, 1453 00:52:56,491 --> 00:52:58,024 none of them were good enough. 1454 00:52:58,025 --> 00:52:59,426 I'm not the one that made that decision at the time, 1455 00:52:59,427 --> 00:53:00,660 but our manager did. 1456 00:53:00,661 --> 00:53:03,363 But, so, yeah, we got to play Winterland 1457 00:53:03,364 --> 00:53:05,064 a number of times, that was kinda of cool. 1458 00:53:05,065 --> 00:53:06,432 We opened for Widowmaker. 1459 00:53:06,433 --> 00:53:08,567 I was so embarrassed, I was apologizing 1460 00:53:08,568 --> 00:53:10,669 Ariel Bender, I said I been a big fan of yours 1461 00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:12,270 and Spooky Tooth, you know, 1462 00:53:12,271 --> 00:53:13,105 I've been a fan of Widowmaker 1463 00:53:14,273 --> 00:53:16,474 and have Widowmaker open for the Nuns, 1464 00:53:16,475 --> 00:53:18,842 just I thought at the time at 19 years old, 1465 00:53:18,843 --> 00:53:20,477 this doesn't seem fair, you know, 1466 00:53:20,478 --> 00:53:21,912 and he was very nice. 1467 00:53:21,913 --> 00:53:24,147 But, we played with Mother's Finest and Roxy Music 1468 00:53:24,148 --> 00:53:26,682 and played with Dictators, 1469 00:53:26,683 --> 00:53:28,484 the Ramones, Blondie a couple of times. 1470 00:53:28,485 --> 00:53:30,419 So we played all the venues at 1471 00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:32,320 the Starwood in L.A., the Whiskey. 1472 00:53:32,321 --> 00:53:34,122 - Mickey's Mohawk was a crossover 1473 00:53:34,123 --> 00:53:36,558 of like, you know, we definitely had more 1474 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:38,761 of the punk roots of things. 1475 00:53:40,195 --> 00:53:41,695 You know, not just the image wise of the Mick's Mohawk, 1476 00:53:41,696 --> 00:53:43,530 but the music, too, it's almost the same difference 1477 00:53:43,531 --> 00:53:46,833 of why Jetbo and Guns 'N Roses kind 1478 00:53:46,834 --> 00:53:48,368 of had this clique. 1479 00:53:48,369 --> 00:53:52,238 Because we both were really into the punk scene as well. 1480 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,705 - And every once in a while, 1481 00:53:53,706 --> 00:53:57,776 we would cross over and go play the punk club, you know. 1482 00:53:57,777 --> 00:53:59,810 Just for fun, just to see what would happen 1483 00:53:59,811 --> 00:54:01,512 and, of course, our fans would follow us. 1484 00:54:01,513 --> 00:54:03,481 It didn't matter where we were going, so, 1485 00:54:03,482 --> 00:54:06,483 and the club owner just loved it, you know. 1486 00:54:06,484 --> 00:54:09,085 - Well, we had already heard about the punk rock scene 1487 00:54:09,086 --> 00:54:11,388 in the Bay Area, 1488 00:54:11,389 --> 00:54:13,522 which is why we came here and landed here. 1489 00:54:13,523 --> 00:54:15,724 And you it did not disappoint 1490 00:54:15,725 --> 00:54:16,892 when we got here. 1491 00:54:16,893 --> 00:54:18,127 We immediately started getting gigs 1492 00:54:18,128 --> 00:54:19,661 and it was a great scene we got in. 1493 00:54:19,662 --> 00:54:23,999 - And when I saw James and Lars 1494 00:54:24,933 --> 00:54:29,102 at a Discharge Show at the Mab.. 1495 00:54:29,103 --> 00:54:31,104 You know, this is when Discharge was hard. 1496 00:54:31,105 --> 00:54:34,607 And I'm standing there, man, 1497 00:54:34,608 --> 00:54:39,079 back because understand in those days, 1498 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,915 it was not really cool for long haired white guys 1499 00:54:43,916 --> 00:54:45,884 to go to a punk show. 1500 00:54:45,885 --> 00:54:48,018 It was not cool, man. 1501 00:54:48,019 --> 00:54:49,820 - I went to a couple of Metallica parties 1502 00:54:49,821 --> 00:54:51,221 in San Francisco in like people's apartments. 1503 00:54:51,222 --> 00:54:53,424 And stuff, but I always felt, 1504 00:54:53,425 --> 00:54:56,225 it wasn't my, they weren't my good friends. 1505 00:54:56,226 --> 00:54:58,327 You know, we didn't hang out a lot, 1506 00:54:58,328 --> 00:55:01,631 but it seemed like I got some respect from them 1507 00:55:01,632 --> 00:55:04,566 and, of course, you know, was at their party, but I- 1508 00:55:04,567 --> 00:55:06,735 - There was like, there was no like 1509 00:55:06,736 --> 00:55:07,670 division of people. 1510 00:55:07,671 --> 00:55:08,903 Rock and roll was rock and roll. 1511 00:55:08,904 --> 00:55:10,538 I mean being that the Mab, Mabuhe Gardens 1512 00:55:10,539 --> 00:55:12,006 was right across from the Stone, 1513 00:55:12,007 --> 00:55:13,441 I mean Head On would play there all the time 1514 00:55:13,442 --> 00:55:14,742 and we had that group, you know, 1515 00:55:14,743 --> 00:55:16,843 full on punk rockers. 1516 00:55:16,844 --> 00:55:18,078 That was the punk place, 1517 00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:19,779 but then we could also go across the street 1518 00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:21,681 and everybody intermingled. 1519 00:55:21,682 --> 00:55:23,382 It was just like Rock and Roll. 1520 00:55:23,383 --> 00:55:24,317 - Yeah, it wasn't like L.A. 1521 00:55:24,318 --> 00:55:25,617 'Cause in 1980 in L.A., 1522 00:55:25,618 --> 00:55:27,086 you did not hang out, 1523 00:55:27,087 --> 00:55:28,487 if you had long hair and you go to a punk rock club, 1524 00:55:28,488 --> 00:55:29,687 you'd get your hair cut off. 1525 00:55:29,688 --> 00:55:30,988 - And the next thing I know, man, 1526 00:55:30,989 --> 00:55:34,225 Discharge were playing their music 1527 00:55:34,226 --> 00:55:37,061 and the crowd was ferocious, dude. 1528 00:55:37,962 --> 00:55:40,397 It was ferocious man. 1529 00:55:40,398 --> 00:55:43,265 I wouldn't go nowhere near that shit, man. 1530 00:55:43,266 --> 00:55:46,836 And next thing I know I see James and Lars 1531 00:55:46,837 --> 00:55:49,339 right in the middle of that shit. 1532 00:55:50,439 --> 00:55:53,675 And them guys were trying to hurt 'em, man. 1533 00:55:53,676 --> 00:55:55,977 It didn't mean shit. 1534 00:55:55,978 --> 00:55:58,812 James and Lars would jump right back in there. 1535 00:55:58,813 --> 00:56:00,280 When I saw that, 1536 00:56:00,281 --> 00:56:02,015 I said them mother fuckers is the real deal. 1537 00:56:02,016 --> 00:56:03,983 - The scene in San Francisco supported both 1538 00:56:03,984 --> 00:56:06,819 and like I said there were certain clubs 1539 00:56:06,820 --> 00:56:08,788 that the punk guys were not so much at, 1540 00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:11,156 but they were more at the others ones that, you know, 1541 00:56:11,157 --> 00:56:12,657 were next to the club or down the street 1542 00:56:12,658 --> 00:56:14,092 or something like that. 1543 00:56:14,093 --> 00:56:16,428 And sort of, it was segregated to some degree. 1544 00:56:16,429 --> 00:56:18,529 But we tried to, you know, get in there 1545 00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:21,432 and just mess with people every once in a while. 1546 00:56:21,433 --> 00:56:24,235 - We got lost a little bit in the thrash movement, 1547 00:56:24,236 --> 00:56:27,203 you know, we were doing the heavy metal thing. 1548 00:56:27,204 --> 00:56:31,007 I remember sitting down with a couple people, 1549 00:56:31,008 --> 00:56:33,642 a couple labels and, you know, in L.A. even, 1550 00:56:33,643 --> 00:56:35,277 said hey, if you guys can kind of do this 1551 00:56:35,278 --> 00:56:36,645 and do that, 1552 00:56:36,646 --> 00:56:39,147 yeah, we'll get you the studio. 1553 00:56:39,148 --> 00:56:41,749 But, it just, we wanted to play the music 1554 00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:42,684 that we were doing. 1555 00:56:42,685 --> 00:56:44,085 - The thing with Righteous Sire 1556 00:56:44,086 --> 00:56:47,854 is that, it's weird because we didn't quite make 1557 00:56:47,855 --> 00:56:49,856 the thrash label. 1558 00:56:49,857 --> 00:56:52,525 We never could go fast enough, you know, 1559 00:56:52,526 --> 00:56:56,529 with our abilities and so we kind of just 1560 00:56:56,530 --> 00:56:59,264 always worked with what we could work with, 1561 00:56:59,265 --> 00:57:01,833 but we would borderline, you know, 1562 00:57:01,834 --> 00:57:04,335 and in the early 80s, thrash was big, 1563 00:57:04,336 --> 00:57:08,272 so I wanted to go thrash heavier, 1564 00:57:08,273 --> 00:57:11,575 but I think our abilities held us back, 1565 00:57:11,576 --> 00:57:14,510 so we were always stuck in this category, you know, 1566 00:57:14,511 --> 00:57:15,811 where you had the big hair bands 1567 00:57:15,812 --> 00:57:18,047 and then you had the other side it. 1568 00:57:18,048 --> 00:57:19,781 There was nothing between except Righteous Sire 1569 00:57:19,782 --> 00:57:22,083 was in between maybe, so I think that played 1570 00:57:22,084 --> 00:57:26,354 a big role in how Righteous Sire, you know, 1571 00:57:26,355 --> 00:57:28,255 doesn't get recognized that much, you know. 1572 00:57:28,256 --> 00:57:31,325 - You never lose if you ere on the side of heavier. 1573 00:57:31,326 --> 00:57:33,893 Always, you always win if you go heavy. 1574 00:57:33,894 --> 00:57:36,930 That's my stock and training, that's what I do. 1575 00:57:36,931 --> 00:57:39,599 - There were some that definitely got hurt. 1576 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,900 I think Forbidden got hurt a lot because 1577 00:57:41,901 --> 00:57:45,170 Forbidden was not truly a thrash band. 1578 00:57:45,171 --> 00:57:47,039 They had thrash elements. 1579 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,207 Craig Locecero can play the shit out of a guitar, 1580 00:57:49,208 --> 00:57:54,212 but they were miscategorized as being 1581 00:57:55,379 --> 00:57:56,379 in the same boat as like an Exodus 1582 00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:57,480 and they just weren't. 1583 00:57:57,481 --> 00:57:58,915 - Yeah, there's like two, 1584 00:57:58,916 --> 00:58:01,750 the bands that went into the more hardcore arena 1585 00:58:01,751 --> 00:58:04,353 and then the bands that tried to do the arena 1586 00:58:04,354 --> 00:58:06,322 and Forbidden, Evil and Forbidden 1587 00:58:06,323 --> 00:58:09,157 always thought we were gonna like make that leap 1588 00:58:09,158 --> 00:58:11,626 into, you know, that next level arena metal stuff 1589 00:58:11,627 --> 00:58:13,194 and that was always the plan, 1590 00:58:13,195 --> 00:58:14,662 it just never worked out that way. 1591 00:58:14,663 --> 00:58:16,129 - You know, we were a little bit 1592 00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:18,699 on the outside of that whole thrash metal thing. 1593 00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:22,001 I was coming from, like, you know Sabbath, 1594 00:58:22,002 --> 00:58:25,304 Priest, Maiden, Alice Cooper, Kiss, 1595 00:58:25,305 --> 00:58:27,006 you know, I was thinking of those kind 1596 00:58:27,007 --> 00:58:30,041 of arena acts for Vicious Rumors. 1597 00:58:30,042 --> 00:58:31,776 - You know, VR, we got signed, 1598 00:58:31,777 --> 00:58:33,311 things started to happen. 1599 00:58:33,312 --> 00:58:35,713 At the same time in the Bay Area, 1600 00:58:35,714 --> 00:58:37,448 all the thrash metal bands starting 1601 00:58:37,449 --> 00:58:39,149 having all the opportunities, 1602 00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:40,951 so I think in some way we kind of got lumped 1603 00:58:40,952 --> 00:58:42,186 into the thrash thing. 1604 00:58:42,187 --> 00:58:45,154 - If you weren't like 100 percent into thrash 1605 00:58:45,155 --> 00:58:46,956 the whole time, you knew that it was big 1606 00:58:46,957 --> 00:58:48,825 and it was cool and I know I had a lot of friends. 1607 00:58:48,826 --> 00:58:50,459 And even some of the guys in my band loved thrash, too 1608 00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:53,895 when they were kids and younger, then, 1609 00:58:53,896 --> 00:58:55,530 but there was such a ton of people 1610 00:58:55,531 --> 00:58:58,399 that were into just regular giant rock 1611 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,034 because that was getting bigger, too. 1612 00:59:00,035 --> 00:59:02,603 - [Interviewer] Was that style and influence on you 1613 00:59:02,604 --> 00:59:05,939 and were you into a lot of those Bay Area thrash bands 1614 00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:07,207 at that time? 1615 00:59:07,208 --> 00:59:09,943 - Funny, not at all. 1616 00:59:09,944 --> 00:59:12,344 I came more from the guitar player's side. 1617 00:59:12,345 --> 00:59:17,349 I loved metal, but I was more 1618 00:59:18,217 --> 00:59:20,251 into every style of guitar. 1619 00:59:20,252 --> 00:59:21,786 - When I was in Cacophony, we played 1620 00:59:21,787 --> 00:59:24,354 a lot of those thrash type of gigs 1621 00:59:24,355 --> 00:59:26,857 at the Stone and the Omni and stuff like that 1622 00:59:26,858 --> 00:59:28,492 and I'd on KUSF with Ron Quintana. 1623 00:59:28,493 --> 00:59:30,793 But I was always kind of an outsider 1624 00:59:30,794 --> 00:59:32,895 from that whole like Exodus 1625 00:59:32,896 --> 00:59:35,431 and who are the other bands, Testament. 1626 00:59:35,432 --> 00:59:36,499 - [Interviewer] Death Angel. 1627 00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:37,732 - Death Angel. 1628 00:59:37,733 --> 00:59:39,401 I was never really in that group hanging out. 1629 00:59:39,402 --> 00:59:42,170 Mainly because I didn't really party very much. 1630 00:59:42,171 --> 00:59:44,571 I was always working on music and writing music 1631 00:59:44,572 --> 00:59:46,407 and recording and doing that and these guys 1632 00:59:46,408 --> 00:59:48,609 were like socializing and partying and stuff 1633 00:59:48,610 --> 00:59:51,411 and I was kind of on the outside of that, 1634 00:59:51,412 --> 00:59:53,079 but I really always liked their music 1635 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,248 and would only really see those guys 1636 00:59:55,249 --> 00:59:59,818 kind of at gigs and very, like acquaintance at most. 1637 00:59:59,819 --> 01:00:01,753 - [Narrator] The Bay Area was quite unique. 1638 01:00:01,754 --> 01:00:03,822 It was truly a community where the musicians 1639 01:00:03,823 --> 01:00:08,392 supported each other, yet it was not void of competition. 1640 01:00:08,393 --> 01:00:10,828 Once Metallica broke into the main stream, 1641 01:00:10,829 --> 01:00:14,865 others were eager to follow and many succeeded. 1642 01:00:18,202 --> 01:00:20,869 ♪ Spirit whispers ♪ 1643 01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:22,104 ♪ Right behind your ears ♪ 1644 01:00:22,105 --> 01:00:23,806 - Talk about this and want to try 1645 01:00:23,807 --> 01:00:26,040 to be historically somewhat accurate, 1646 01:00:26,041 --> 01:00:27,742 I think you gotta, you can't separate, 1647 01:00:27,743 --> 01:00:31,045 you can't separate Metallica from the scene. 1648 01:00:31,046 --> 01:00:32,946 - But the good thing about the San Francisco scene 1649 01:00:32,947 --> 01:00:34,281 is you got all these bands, 1650 01:00:34,282 --> 01:00:36,550 you got all these fans, then you had the media 1651 01:00:36,551 --> 01:00:37,751 to cover everything. 1652 01:00:37,752 --> 01:00:40,252 We had a great camaraderie. 1653 01:00:40,253 --> 01:00:43,823 It was like a brotherhood or something like that, 1654 01:00:43,824 --> 01:00:45,057 a big gang. 1655 01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:46,858 And it doesn't matter if you were a gang band, 1656 01:00:46,859 --> 01:00:48,727 you were a thrash band or a metal band 1657 01:00:48,728 --> 01:00:50,762 or a rock band, we all hung out at the same shows 1658 01:00:50,763 --> 01:00:52,697 for a long time, I think until 86. 1659 01:00:52,698 --> 01:00:54,631 Everybody showed up and you know, 1660 01:00:54,632 --> 01:00:55,966 guys from Head On showed up, 1661 01:00:55,967 --> 01:00:57,935 guys from Jetbo would showed up. 1662 01:00:57,936 --> 01:00:59,570 Exodus would show up everywhere. 1663 01:00:59,571 --> 01:01:01,671 Bail Off would show up with Gary Hold 1664 01:01:01,672 --> 01:01:04,340 on every show and so we were just like, 1665 01:01:04,341 --> 01:01:06,142 you know, we just loved music, it was cool. 1666 01:01:06,143 --> 01:01:07,509 It was before it got segmented. 1667 01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:11,046 - You have somebody like Davy Vain producing 1668 01:01:11,047 --> 01:01:12,314 the first Death Angel album, 1669 01:01:12,315 --> 01:01:16,350 someone in the glam band producing a trash band. 1670 01:01:16,351 --> 01:01:20,221 Everybody got along and everybody was friends 1671 01:01:20,222 --> 01:01:21,621 and everybody, it was genuine, 1672 01:01:21,622 --> 01:01:22,889 it was a genuine time. 1673 01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:25,425 - That's it, everyone always says of course 1674 01:01:25,426 --> 01:01:26,960 'cause we did, 'cause we were all like cool 1675 01:01:26,961 --> 01:01:29,094 with each other, but at the same time, 1676 01:01:29,095 --> 01:01:32,131 everyone was like you know, 1677 01:01:32,132 --> 01:01:36,401 we were just trying to make a name for our band, too. 1678 01:01:36,402 --> 01:01:39,103 When you're playing with all these big 1679 01:01:39,104 --> 01:01:41,305 great bands and stuff and you better have 1680 01:01:41,306 --> 01:01:43,240 the goods or you're gonna get just like 1681 01:01:43,241 --> 01:01:45,375 booed off the stage. 1682 01:01:45,376 --> 01:01:47,110 You know, you want to have the pit going 1683 01:01:47,111 --> 01:01:48,944 and stage diving going on. 1684 01:01:48,945 --> 01:01:50,713 - You were a little bit on the outskirts 1685 01:01:50,714 --> 01:01:52,114 of most of those guys 1686 01:01:52,115 --> 01:01:53,749 'cause they grew up on the northern part 1687 01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:56,918 of the Bay and the East Bay and in San Francisco. 1688 01:01:56,919 --> 01:01:59,287 We were in Fremont, which is like suburbs, 1689 01:01:59,288 --> 01:02:01,923 so we came out and there was a little bit 1690 01:02:01,924 --> 01:02:02,891 of resistance to us at first 1691 01:02:02,892 --> 01:02:04,525 because we were so melodic 1692 01:02:04,526 --> 01:02:05,993 and we had a singer that was so different 1693 01:02:05,994 --> 01:02:07,261 than anybody else, 1694 01:02:07,262 --> 01:02:09,229 but yet it was so thrashy that it was 1695 01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:11,564 kind of like, they were a little taken aback by us 1696 01:02:11,565 --> 01:02:12,732 at first, so they welcomed us in 1697 01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:14,700 after, it took us a few months 1698 01:02:14,701 --> 01:02:16,802 to kind of like where Exodus was cool 1699 01:02:16,803 --> 01:02:18,570 and everything was cool, 1700 01:02:18,571 --> 01:02:20,071 'cause at first it was like who are these guys. 1701 01:02:20,072 --> 01:02:22,374 I know you, but who the fuck are these guys. 1702 01:02:22,375 --> 01:02:24,809 So, but that ended quickly and it was only a blip, 1703 01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:28,112 but it was always cool from that point on 1704 01:02:28,113 --> 01:02:29,547 and like especially now dude, 1705 01:02:29,548 --> 01:02:32,882 that camaraderie has really flourished 1706 01:02:32,883 --> 01:02:34,717 and everybody is really happy 1707 01:02:34,718 --> 01:02:35,653 to see each other these days 1708 01:02:35,653 --> 01:02:36,620 when we all see each other. 1709 01:02:36,621 --> 01:02:38,320 Everybody's like dude, you know, 1710 01:02:38,321 --> 01:02:39,688 we did this together. 1711 01:02:39,689 --> 01:02:41,156 We were all a part of that. 1712 01:02:41,157 --> 01:02:42,591 You just kind of feel, you don't have to say it, 1713 01:02:42,592 --> 01:02:44,058 but everyone knows it. 1714 01:02:44,059 --> 01:02:46,227 - But it was a lot less segregated then you'd think. 1715 01:02:46,228 --> 01:02:47,261 A lot of people that, you know, yeah 1716 01:02:47,262 --> 01:02:48,696 they talk crap to each other, 1717 01:02:48,697 --> 01:02:50,697 but usually they were there to like hold the beers 1718 01:02:50,698 --> 01:02:51,898 in the air at the same show. 1719 01:02:51,899 --> 01:02:53,667 - There was really no competition 1720 01:02:53,668 --> 01:02:54,901 between the bands. 1721 01:02:54,902 --> 01:02:56,670 They were all friends, they were all brothers, 1722 01:02:56,671 --> 01:02:57,637 they all supported each other. 1723 01:02:57,638 --> 01:02:59,371 You went to a Laaz Rockit show 1724 01:02:59,372 --> 01:03:02,274 and all the Exodus guys were in the audience, right? 1725 01:03:02,275 --> 01:03:03,243 And vice versa. 1726 01:03:03,244 --> 01:03:04,310 And that's what I loved about 1727 01:03:04,311 --> 01:03:05,277 the San Francisco scene. 1728 01:03:05,278 --> 01:03:06,578 There was no put down of bands. 1729 01:03:06,579 --> 01:03:08,413 They were all supporting each other 1730 01:03:08,414 --> 01:03:09,647 and playing each other 1731 01:03:09,648 --> 01:03:11,149 because it was such a tight community. 1732 01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:12,816 - We so need bands like Death Angel, for example, 1733 01:03:12,817 --> 01:03:16,854 the thrash scene seemed to fit hand in hand with it. 1734 01:03:16,855 --> 01:03:18,821 You saw people at the thrash shows. 1735 01:03:18,822 --> 01:03:21,924 You'd also see them at the classic metal shows, as well. 1736 01:03:21,925 --> 01:03:24,160 I think it was just the whole vibe of it all. 1737 01:03:24,161 --> 01:03:26,795 And some of it was much more heavier than the other, 1738 01:03:26,796 --> 01:03:28,263 but you'd see the same people. 1739 01:03:28,264 --> 01:03:29,731 And it didn't seem, even though 1740 01:03:29,732 --> 01:03:32,399 it was a healthy competition between the bands, 1741 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,034 it didn't seem, at least I didn't see 1742 01:03:34,035 --> 01:03:35,236 any of the real cutthroat stuff. 1743 01:03:35,237 --> 01:03:36,470 I'm not saying it didn't happen, 1744 01:03:36,471 --> 01:03:38,606 but there was much more 1745 01:03:38,607 --> 01:03:40,440 of a sense of community about it all. 1746 01:03:40,441 --> 01:03:42,542 And a support within the bands for each other. 1747 01:03:42,543 --> 01:03:44,544 - Like all the people in the bands 1748 01:03:44,545 --> 01:03:46,011 were all hanging out. 1749 01:03:46,012 --> 01:03:49,114 It wasn't like the bands and the fans. 1750 01:03:49,115 --> 01:03:50,916 We were all just together. 1751 01:03:50,917 --> 01:03:52,884 There wasn't a separation. 1752 01:03:52,885 --> 01:03:54,952 - In the Beer Gardens, everyone's walking around 1753 01:03:54,953 --> 01:03:57,555 like it's the mecca and the warriors in movies. 1754 01:03:57,556 --> 01:04:00,123 Everyone's a gang and everyone's got their thing 1755 01:04:00,124 --> 01:04:02,058 and these guys have got their letter vests 1756 01:04:02,059 --> 01:04:04,227 and these guys are in debt. 1757 01:04:04,228 --> 01:04:05,662 You know, it's just, 1758 01:04:05,663 --> 01:04:08,330 that's what was fun about it, I thought. 1759 01:04:08,331 --> 01:04:10,900 - We weren't treated different, like you said. 1760 01:04:10,901 --> 01:04:13,235 There was no competition we went through. 1761 01:04:13,236 --> 01:04:15,270 Even because we come from out of town, 1762 01:04:15,271 --> 01:04:16,538 I don't they felt we were a threat. 1763 01:04:16,539 --> 01:04:18,606 We were a visitor. 1764 01:04:18,607 --> 01:04:20,908 They welcomed us with open arms. 1765 01:04:20,909 --> 01:04:23,644 Look how Slayer and Exodus became. 1766 01:04:23,645 --> 01:04:25,245 We became tight friends. 1767 01:04:25,246 --> 01:04:28,281 It was a good experience for us out there. 1768 01:04:28,282 --> 01:04:30,416 - And Exodus didn't really have a competition 1769 01:04:30,417 --> 01:04:33,452 because they kind of just got the next deal 1770 01:04:33,453 --> 01:04:37,989 and then there was a lot of other bands behind them. 1771 01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:40,358 - In the same way that we may have inspired 1772 01:04:40,359 --> 01:04:42,626 the scene, the scene also inspired us. 1773 01:04:42,627 --> 01:04:44,228 We may have influenced the scene, 1774 01:04:44,229 --> 01:04:46,163 but the scene, do you know what I mean? 1775 01:04:46,164 --> 01:04:47,765 So it's just one big fucking mesh 1776 01:04:47,766 --> 01:04:51,267 of just people and 1777 01:04:51,268 --> 01:04:55,070 energy and moments, you know, 1778 01:04:55,071 --> 01:04:58,240 that just happened over the course of a while 1779 01:04:58,241 --> 01:05:01,343 and it was like a year or two where 1780 01:05:01,344 --> 01:05:03,844 it was just fucking vibing. 1781 01:05:03,845 --> 01:05:05,046 - We'd do the same. 1782 01:05:05,047 --> 01:05:05,981 We'd go there to support other bands 1783 01:05:05,982 --> 01:05:07,715 and we always had a great night 1784 01:05:07,716 --> 01:05:08,949 when we went out to these places 1785 01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:11,084 and we always felt warmly welcomed 1786 01:05:11,085 --> 01:05:13,253 when we played any club in the scene. 1787 01:05:13,254 --> 01:05:15,355 - And there were some great bands, you know, 1788 01:05:15,356 --> 01:05:16,722 that we got to see, as well. 1789 01:05:16,723 --> 01:05:19,625 You know, I remember Roadrunner, Steele, 1790 01:05:19,626 --> 01:05:22,694 Exodus I saw, was you at the Exodus show? 1791 01:05:22,695 --> 01:05:23,928 - Yes, yes, I was. 1792 01:05:23,929 --> 01:05:28,433 - So, you know, we're talking probably 82, 83. 1793 01:05:28,434 --> 01:05:30,200 - Yes, they were competitive, 1794 01:05:30,201 --> 01:05:31,435 but at the same time, 1795 01:05:31,436 --> 01:05:33,170 if they saw one of them in trouble 1796 01:05:33,171 --> 01:05:34,938 or needed help, they were there to help and support them 1797 01:05:34,939 --> 01:05:37,940 and I loved that about the San Francisco scene. 1798 01:05:37,941 --> 01:05:40,676 - The scene was fueled by drugs 1799 01:05:40,677 --> 01:05:44,446 and fueled by bands trying to get deals. 1800 01:05:44,447 --> 01:05:45,814 Everyone was trying to get a deal. 1801 01:05:45,815 --> 01:05:47,048 Everyone was. 1802 01:05:47,049 --> 01:05:48,783 The record companies kept coming up weekly, 1803 01:05:48,784 --> 01:05:50,651 like to see Metallica, to see Exodus, 1804 01:05:50,652 --> 01:05:52,553 to see us, see Vain. 1805 01:05:52,554 --> 01:05:55,489 We were the ones that took the longest to get a deal. 1806 01:05:55,490 --> 01:05:58,658 I sat in every office in L.A. with Varney 1807 01:05:58,659 --> 01:06:00,026 and we thought we were gonna get signed 1808 01:06:00,027 --> 01:06:01,227 like three or four times, 1809 01:06:01,228 --> 01:06:03,129 and then finally Columbia came back, 1810 01:06:03,130 --> 01:06:04,396 like a year later. 1811 01:06:04,397 --> 01:06:06,264 And I guess I owe it all to Ron Quintana. 1812 01:06:06,265 --> 01:06:08,367 - But I think one of the things about it 1813 01:06:08,368 --> 01:06:10,535 that was interesting was for the most part 1814 01:06:10,536 --> 01:06:11,636 we didn't hold grudges 1815 01:06:11,637 --> 01:06:14,105 and I think that our scene, 1816 01:06:14,106 --> 01:06:15,606 we sort of policed ourselves. 1817 01:06:15,607 --> 01:06:18,508 And we didn't have the attention all the time 1818 01:06:18,509 --> 01:06:20,844 of record companies or executives 1819 01:06:20,845 --> 01:06:23,380 or these people who looked at you 1820 01:06:23,381 --> 01:06:27,450 as if your behavior's going to be a risk. 1821 01:06:29,552 --> 01:06:31,519 - I don't think anybody here paid attention 1822 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,754 to that either. 1823 01:06:32,755 --> 01:06:33,821 - I didn't really get into the music. 1824 01:06:33,822 --> 01:06:35,423 I didn't hang around rockers, 1825 01:06:35,424 --> 01:06:37,091 so we were kind of isolated. 1826 01:06:37,092 --> 01:06:41,194 And so, and most of the black people weren't with it. 1827 01:06:41,195 --> 01:06:42,130 They thought I was fucking crazy, 1828 01:06:42,131 --> 01:06:43,497 you know what I'm saying? 1829 01:06:43,498 --> 01:06:48,100 But my folks, my dad, he wasn't so much into it, 1830 01:06:48,101 --> 01:06:49,669 but they tolerated it. 1831 01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:51,504 My folks, you know, my mom, she was, 1832 01:06:51,505 --> 01:06:53,571 you know, she was in my corner, 1833 01:06:53,572 --> 01:06:54,739 you know what I mean? 1834 01:06:54,740 --> 01:06:56,541 But most of the people oh, they joked, 1835 01:06:56,542 --> 01:07:01,345 you know that's where some of the determination came from 1836 01:07:01,346 --> 01:07:02,880 just getting ridiculed. 1837 01:07:02,881 --> 01:07:04,214 - [Narrator] Heavy metal shows 1838 01:07:04,215 --> 01:07:06,149 started to pop up all over the Bay Area. 1839 01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:08,251 It all began with the old Waldorf 1840 01:07:08,252 --> 01:07:10,153 when they started the Metal Mondays series. 1841 01:07:10,154 --> 01:07:12,455 The first show featured Motley Crue 1842 01:07:12,456 --> 01:07:13,889 with Anvil Chorus, followed soon 1843 01:07:13,890 --> 01:07:17,125 by Motorhead's first appearance in San Francisco. 1844 01:07:17,126 --> 01:07:19,061 Clubs like the Three Keystones in San Francisco, 1845 01:07:19,062 --> 01:07:21,262 Berkeley and Palo Alto, Wolfgang's 1846 01:07:21,263 --> 01:07:23,698 and later the Omni, Off Broadway 1847 01:07:23,699 --> 01:07:25,566 and finally the haven for the heaviest 1848 01:07:25,567 --> 01:07:28,068 of the thrash bands, Ruthie's Inn. 1849 01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:31,072 (heavy metal music) 1850 01:07:35,508 --> 01:07:37,976 - So here we are, I'm here with John Strednansky 1851 01:07:37,977 --> 01:07:40,545 in the heart of downtown San Francisco. 1852 01:07:40,546 --> 01:07:43,247 We're standing in front of yet another 1853 01:07:43,248 --> 01:07:46,818 historic building, why don't you tell us about this John. 1854 01:07:46,819 --> 01:07:48,418 - This, believe it or not, 1855 01:07:48,419 --> 01:07:49,853 this was the old Waldorf 1856 01:07:49,854 --> 01:07:53,657 and, you know, when we called the Stone ground zero 1857 01:07:53,658 --> 01:07:55,157 for the metal scene here, 1858 01:07:55,158 --> 01:07:56,093 this was really the genesis. 1859 01:07:56,094 --> 01:07:57,293 This was really the genesis. 1860 01:07:57,294 --> 01:07:58,294 - The beginning. 1861 01:07:58,295 --> 01:07:59,595 - The old Waldorf had shows here 1862 01:07:59,596 --> 01:08:00,830 back in the 70s, like Pat Benetar 1863 01:08:00,831 --> 01:08:02,864 and those kinds of rockers played here, 1864 01:08:02,865 --> 01:08:05,667 but 1981 met the first Metal Monday. 1865 01:08:05,668 --> 01:08:07,569 Motley Crue and Anvil Chorus. 1866 01:08:07,570 --> 01:08:10,170 The really kicked off what the San Francisco 1867 01:08:10,171 --> 01:08:11,472 metal scene was all about. 1868 01:08:11,473 --> 01:08:12,706 - There was a lot of music going on. 1869 01:08:12,707 --> 01:08:14,241 There was a lot of bands trying to play places 1870 01:08:14,242 --> 01:08:15,708 and there was nowhere to play. 1871 01:08:15,709 --> 01:08:18,511 So we'd do things like put on our own shows. 1872 01:08:18,512 --> 01:08:20,747 - Let's mention our good friend Cathy Page, 1873 01:08:20,748 --> 01:08:22,914 who used to work for KRQR. 1874 01:08:22,915 --> 01:08:24,249 She was amazing. 1875 01:08:24,250 --> 01:08:26,418 She was the one who started Metal Mondays. 1876 01:08:26,419 --> 01:08:27,619 - Cathy. 1877 01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:28,919 - Cathy Page. 1878 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,254 - [Interviewer] I didn't know that. 1879 01:08:30,255 --> 01:08:32,156 - She was amazing, everybody's mother, you know, 1880 01:08:32,157 --> 01:08:34,492 even though she was a young hottie. 1881 01:08:34,493 --> 01:08:36,659 - But she also was program director at KRQR, 1882 01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:38,962 which was the biggest FM radio rock station up there. 1883 01:08:38,963 --> 01:08:40,530 So, she put on these shows 1884 01:08:40,531 --> 01:08:41,865 and if she liked you. 1885 01:08:41,866 --> 01:08:42,865 - Promote you. 1886 01:08:42,866 --> 01:08:44,666 - She'd help you out immensely. 1887 01:08:44,667 --> 01:08:47,936 - Thank goodness for people like the Corona Brothers 1888 01:08:47,937 --> 01:08:50,838 who booked the Keystone Clubs. 1889 01:08:50,839 --> 01:08:53,474 Or Tony Isabella and Rachael Matthews, 1890 01:08:53,475 --> 01:08:55,910 who booked us all at the Waldorf. 1891 01:08:55,911 --> 01:08:57,344 These are essential people 1892 01:08:57,345 --> 01:08:59,212 that made these opportunities 1893 01:08:59,213 --> 01:09:00,313 for all the bands. 1894 01:09:00,314 --> 01:09:02,182 - That Metal Monday scene 1895 01:09:02,183 --> 01:09:03,415 at the old Waldorf. 1896 01:09:03,416 --> 01:09:05,818 That was the best club to play at 1897 01:09:05,819 --> 01:09:07,052 at the time. 1898 01:09:07,053 --> 01:09:08,754 All the bands were playing at the, 1899 01:09:08,755 --> 01:09:10,688 you know, there was a lot of venues 1900 01:09:10,689 --> 01:09:11,890 in San Francisco. 1901 01:09:11,891 --> 01:09:14,726 There was, you know, you had Morty's, 1902 01:09:14,727 --> 01:09:17,494 you had the Stone, you had Rock on Broadway, 1903 01:09:17,495 --> 01:09:18,929 you had the Blue A Gardens, 1904 01:09:18,930 --> 01:09:21,398 and you'd have live music five nights a week. 1905 01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,033 - But I think the Metal Monday thing 1906 01:09:23,034 --> 01:09:23,901 was an all ages thing 1907 01:09:23,902 --> 01:09:25,668 and when that came on, 1908 01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:28,070 we were really ready for something to happen. 1909 01:09:28,071 --> 01:09:30,906 - The Metal Monday stuff, it was a legacy 1910 01:09:30,907 --> 01:09:32,374 by the time I was in the scene, 1911 01:09:32,375 --> 01:09:33,608 but that was already done. 1912 01:09:33,609 --> 01:09:35,677 So I had just come in on the back end of that 1913 01:09:35,678 --> 01:09:37,012 and Ruthie's was it, right. 1914 01:09:37,013 --> 01:09:40,247 So you hit those, it was like Laaz Rockit, 1915 01:09:40,248 --> 01:09:43,818 I'm thinking, was it Control, like all those bands. 1916 01:09:43,819 --> 01:09:47,053 Anvil Chorus, you know. 1917 01:09:47,054 --> 01:09:49,489 And then whoever would come up from L.A. to do it 1918 01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:51,291 and then Metallica got their start 1919 01:09:51,292 --> 01:09:52,558 doing that stuff there. 1920 01:09:52,559 --> 01:09:53,992 - We were in tune with these people 1921 01:09:53,993 --> 01:09:56,028 and they gave us a chance and we got a chance 1922 01:09:56,029 --> 01:09:58,529 to do this Motley Crue thing. 1923 01:09:58,530 --> 01:10:00,398 - Anvil Chorus opened up for 1924 01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:03,334 both Motorhead and Motley Crue, 1925 01:10:03,335 --> 01:10:05,502 like way, well, Motorhead had been around 1926 01:10:05,503 --> 01:10:06,736 and I think like I remember Lemmy telling 1927 01:10:06,737 --> 01:10:08,238 us that we played too many notes. 1928 01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,541 And I was thinking that's what they said about Mozart. 1929 01:10:11,542 --> 01:10:13,242 - There was Anvil Chorus, Hans Naughty, 1930 01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:16,679 and Motley Crue, I think that's what it was. 1931 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,113 We actually opened the show. 1932 01:10:18,114 --> 01:10:19,814 - Part of what I liked about Metal Mondays 1933 01:10:19,815 --> 01:10:23,318 and even at the Stones was some of the L.A. 1934 01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:24,519 Bands would come out. 1935 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,753 I started to get hip to some of these bands, 1936 01:10:25,754 --> 01:10:27,287 but I remember when Motley Crue 1937 01:10:27,288 --> 01:10:28,322 came and played Metal Mondays 1938 01:10:28,323 --> 01:10:30,591 and they came on, 1939 01:10:30,592 --> 01:10:32,125 I thought they fucking sucked. 1940 01:10:32,126 --> 01:10:34,260 My friends and I, we stood at the back of the room. 1941 01:10:34,261 --> 01:10:36,229 We threw ice at them while they're playing. 1942 01:10:36,230 --> 01:10:38,865 We're going Motley Crud, fuck you. 1943 01:10:38,866 --> 01:10:40,932 - What's real interesting about this club, 1944 01:10:40,933 --> 01:10:42,801 I mean, if you look around, we're in such an oasis, 1945 01:10:42,802 --> 01:10:44,369 right, in downtown San Francisco. 1946 01:10:44,370 --> 01:10:45,370 It's quiet up here. 1947 01:10:45,371 --> 01:10:48,105 This is built on top of a garage 1948 01:10:48,106 --> 01:10:51,475 and you kind of walk into this tranquil garden 1949 01:10:51,476 --> 01:10:52,444 and here is one of the coolest rock clubs 1950 01:10:52,445 --> 01:10:54,377 that I've ever been to, right, 1951 01:10:54,378 --> 01:10:55,678 the old Waldorf. 1952 01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:56,946 The Punchline in the background was here 1953 01:10:56,947 --> 01:10:59,215 back in the early 80s, so that's still around. 1954 01:10:59,216 --> 01:11:01,283 But it's real interesting where 1955 01:11:01,284 --> 01:11:03,352 they chose to put this club at. 1956 01:11:03,353 --> 01:11:05,888 - Yeah, I always thought a very interesting location. 1957 01:11:05,889 --> 01:11:07,955 - And what's interesting the way it's built, 1958 01:11:07,956 --> 01:11:10,324 if you walk inside, the back stage door is right there, 1959 01:11:10,325 --> 01:11:11,926 right next to the front entrance 1960 01:11:11,927 --> 01:11:13,761 and the bands actually just walk right 1961 01:11:13,762 --> 01:11:14,995 through the crowd to the stage. 1962 01:11:14,996 --> 01:11:18,164 It was very, very fan friendly. 1963 01:11:18,165 --> 01:11:20,700 - Overdrive was a band that consisted of 1964 01:11:20,701 --> 01:11:22,801 Randy Fererra on bass, 1965 01:11:22,802 --> 01:11:25,237 Mark Pena on drums, Mike Carsey on guitar 1966 01:11:25,238 --> 01:11:27,139 and myself on guitar and vocals. 1967 01:11:27,140 --> 01:11:30,408 And we were high school buddies. 1968 01:11:30,409 --> 01:11:33,344 And, you know, we started playing 1969 01:11:33,345 --> 01:11:34,945 in the Bay Area music scene 1970 01:11:34,946 --> 01:11:36,413 when we were about 15, 16. 1971 01:11:36,414 --> 01:11:39,049 We would do gigs at the old Waldorf on Metal Mondays 1972 01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:41,951 and we would play our set 1973 01:11:41,952 --> 01:11:43,886 and then we'd have to go hand out 1974 01:11:43,887 --> 01:11:44,887 in the dressing room 'cause we were too young 1975 01:11:44,888 --> 01:11:45,922 to hang out in the club. 1976 01:11:45,923 --> 01:11:47,556 - The Waldorf Metal Mondays, 1977 01:11:47,557 --> 01:11:49,291 I remember being in high school 1978 01:11:49,292 --> 01:11:52,560 and them announcing Righteous Siren 1979 01:11:52,561 --> 01:11:53,795 playing Metal Mondays 1980 01:11:53,796 --> 01:11:55,063 and I thought I was a real rock star 1981 01:11:55,064 --> 01:11:57,431 when I heard my name on the radio 1982 01:11:57,432 --> 01:11:59,633 and Mabue Gardens, On Broadway, 1983 01:11:59,634 --> 01:12:02,936 Keystone Palo Alto, the Stone in San Francisco 1984 01:12:02,937 --> 01:12:06,172 was kind of our little circuit, you know. 1985 01:12:06,173 --> 01:12:08,875 So we would just rotate between those clubs. 1986 01:12:08,876 --> 01:12:11,043 We never really traveled or anything. 1987 01:12:11,044 --> 01:12:12,644 We were always a Bay Area band. 1988 01:12:12,645 --> 01:12:14,146 - All these places, pretty soon 1989 01:12:14,147 --> 01:12:17,848 the old Waldorf had to have metal bands every Monday. 1990 01:12:17,849 --> 01:12:20,217 Then the Mab had to have metal bands every Sunday. 1991 01:12:20,218 --> 01:12:21,419 They had Brutal Sundays, 1992 01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:23,020 so all these clubs 1993 01:12:23,021 --> 01:12:24,554 starting added metal nights 1994 01:12:24,555 --> 01:12:26,389 and all these little kids 1995 01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:29,826 suddenly had places to play, it was amazing. 1996 01:12:29,827 --> 01:12:31,560 - When I first started coming up to 1997 01:12:31,561 --> 01:12:33,395 the Bay Area, we had connected 1998 01:12:33,396 --> 01:12:35,497 with Tambray Bryant, Michael Oliver 1999 01:12:35,498 --> 01:12:37,265 with LNO Productions and they were doing 2000 01:12:37,266 --> 01:12:40,034 a series of shows at the Mabuhe Gardens. 2001 01:12:40,035 --> 01:12:41,669 That was my introduction 2002 01:12:41,670 --> 01:12:42,937 and it was a seedy, 2003 01:12:42,938 --> 01:12:44,705 I mean it started out as a punk club, right? 2004 01:12:44,706 --> 01:12:49,643 And it was just this seedy amazingly cool club 2005 01:12:49,644 --> 01:12:52,545 that was unlike anything I've ever seen. 2006 01:12:52,546 --> 01:12:54,880 - The best place in town to play was the Stone. 2007 01:12:54,881 --> 01:12:56,415 - No, the Waldorf. 2008 01:12:56,416 --> 01:12:58,350 - Well, the Waldorf was best, but that didn't last as long. 2009 01:12:58,351 --> 01:12:59,884 - [Bob] Here we are. 2010 01:12:59,885 --> 01:13:00,986 So this is it, man. 2011 01:13:00,987 --> 01:13:02,020 The Stone. 2012 01:13:02,021 --> 01:13:03,321 Ground Zero. 2013 01:13:03,322 --> 01:13:06,290 - This was indeed ground zero of the metal scene 2014 01:13:06,291 --> 01:13:07,791 here in San Francisco. 2015 01:13:07,792 --> 01:13:11,328 This was where, everybody came here, everybody was here. 2016 01:13:11,329 --> 01:13:12,528 Everybody met up here. 2017 01:13:12,529 --> 01:13:14,163 First show for Metallica outside. 2018 01:13:14,164 --> 01:13:15,999 - Metal Massacre Night. 2019 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,700 - With, I believe it was Bitch. 2020 01:13:17,701 --> 01:13:21,470 Yes, what a night. 2021 01:13:21,471 --> 01:13:23,438 Really got everything started here. 2022 01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,940 - And you were at that show. 2023 01:13:24,941 --> 01:13:25,774 You came up with Lars, right, 2024 01:13:25,775 --> 01:13:26,807 you grew up with him. 2025 01:13:26,808 --> 01:13:27,908 - I came up with Lars, 2026 01:13:27,909 --> 01:13:28,943 they picked me up in Monterrey, 2027 01:13:28,944 --> 01:13:30,478 we drove up together 2028 01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,979 and they actually asked me to announce them on stage. 2029 01:13:32,980 --> 01:13:35,548 It was a great memory and a fantastic start 2030 01:13:35,549 --> 01:13:37,784 to a whole new era in San Francisco metal. 2031 01:13:37,785 --> 01:13:39,051 - The Stone had three clubs 2032 01:13:39,052 --> 01:13:41,186 and they were spread throughout the Bay Area 2033 01:13:41,187 --> 01:13:43,288 and we played all three of them religiously 2034 01:13:43,289 --> 01:13:46,357 and especially the one in Palo Alto, 2035 01:13:46,358 --> 01:13:50,061 which was sort of between San Jose 2036 01:13:50,062 --> 01:13:51,396 and San Francisco. 2037 01:13:51,397 --> 01:13:54,765 That just became the place to play 2038 01:13:54,766 --> 01:13:56,633 especially for hard rock music. 2039 01:13:56,634 --> 01:13:58,769 It just, Keystone Palo Alto. 2040 01:13:58,770 --> 01:14:00,002 That was it and they'd jam it, 2041 01:14:00,003 --> 01:14:02,071 almost like a thousand people into this place, 2042 01:14:02,072 --> 01:14:04,473 and it wasn't very big, but the way it was set up, 2043 01:14:04,474 --> 01:14:05,808 you could do that. 2044 01:14:05,809 --> 01:14:08,009 - The Stone was a magical place. 2045 01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:09,244 The Omni was a magical place. 2046 01:14:09,245 --> 01:14:11,246 I don't see any clubs like that now. 2047 01:14:11,247 --> 01:14:13,148 They might be in like Philadelphia. 2048 01:14:13,149 --> 01:14:15,182 You know I went on Gore Tour later 2049 01:14:15,183 --> 01:14:16,117 and I saw some clubs like that, 2050 01:14:16,118 --> 01:14:17,618 but they were on the East Coast. 2051 01:14:17,619 --> 01:14:18,719 But all that stuff has been, 2052 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,753 it's like all in the Bay Area, 2053 01:14:20,754 --> 01:14:22,422 the clubs now are nothing like that anymore. 2054 01:14:22,423 --> 01:14:23,890 They're all strip clubs now, 2055 01:14:23,891 --> 01:14:25,625 'cause you can't make the money. 2056 01:14:25,626 --> 01:14:28,093 - The Chatterbox, ah, well, that was a fun place 2057 01:14:28,094 --> 01:14:29,728 because that was an interesting crossover point 2058 01:14:29,729 --> 01:14:32,631 where punk and metal kind of intersected. 2059 01:14:32,632 --> 01:14:34,199 It was kind of a small place, 2060 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,903 not the greatest sound system, but adequate, you know. 2061 01:14:38,904 --> 01:14:41,005 But the vibe, it was all about the vibe and everything. 2062 01:14:41,006 --> 01:14:42,872 It had a Kiss pinball machine 2063 01:14:42,873 --> 01:14:45,508 and they had Johnny Thunder's spray painted, 2064 01:14:45,509 --> 01:14:49,178 you know, some shit on the rafters, you know. 2065 01:14:49,179 --> 01:14:52,714 So you can't argue with pedigree like that. 2066 01:14:52,715 --> 01:14:54,216 - [Bob] We're at the location of 2067 01:14:54,217 --> 01:14:57,318 the old Keystone Palo Alto, huh? 2068 01:14:57,319 --> 01:14:58,586 - [John] Indeed. 2069 01:14:58,587 --> 01:14:59,687 You can't recognize this place anymore. 2070 01:14:59,688 --> 01:15:01,656 It sure looked different 30 years ago. 2071 01:15:01,657 --> 01:15:03,156 - [Bob] The old hangout. 2072 01:15:03,157 --> 01:15:04,991 - Yeah, this was kind of where the whole South Bay 2073 01:15:04,992 --> 01:15:06,927 got going with their heavy metal scene. 2074 01:15:06,928 --> 01:15:08,994 First show I ever saw here was Saxon 2075 01:15:08,995 --> 01:15:11,997 back in 1982 when they played the three Keystones 2076 01:15:11,998 --> 01:15:13,632 around the Bay Area. 2077 01:15:13,633 --> 01:15:14,633 - Gentlemen in Leather tour. 2078 01:15:14,634 --> 01:15:16,134 - Trauma opens down here. 2079 01:15:16,135 --> 01:15:17,836 How awesome's that with cliff Burton 2080 01:15:17,837 --> 01:15:20,472 and this club endured quite a while. 2081 01:15:20,473 --> 01:15:22,307 I believe I saw Michael Shanker here 2082 01:15:22,308 --> 01:15:25,409 as late as 1995 or so. 2083 01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:27,811 So, this club endured for a while, 2084 01:15:27,812 --> 01:15:31,147 but now gentrified in a whole different neighborhood now. 2085 01:15:31,148 --> 01:15:32,849 - We played the Mabuhe Gardens, 2086 01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:35,118 we played the Rock on Broadway, 2087 01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:37,519 We played the Cocadrie, we played Morty's, 2088 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,122 we played the Omni. 2089 01:15:42,024 --> 01:15:45,326 The Keystone Berkely, the Eye Beam. 2090 01:15:45,327 --> 01:15:46,594 On did I not say Ruthie's. 2091 01:15:46,595 --> 01:15:47,728 - [Interviewer] No, you didn't say Ruthie's. 2092 01:15:47,729 --> 01:15:49,130 - Ooh. 2093 01:15:49,131 --> 01:15:52,265 Ruthie's Inn and every club that existed. 2094 01:15:52,266 --> 01:15:53,566 The Farm. 2095 01:15:53,567 --> 01:15:54,801 - [Man] Yes! 2096 01:15:54,802 --> 01:15:56,536 - Yeah, we played every fucking club. 2097 01:15:56,537 --> 01:15:58,670 - Well, luckily for us, you could have pretty 2098 01:15:58,671 --> 01:16:00,439 hard core bands at the Mab. 2099 01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:02,741 And then the popular metal bands, 2100 01:16:02,742 --> 01:16:04,408 but you had to go to Ruthie's 2101 01:16:04,409 --> 01:16:07,545 for the more intense bands in 83 and 84, 2102 01:16:07,546 --> 01:16:09,447 so Slayer would play there first 2103 01:16:09,448 --> 01:16:11,548 and Megadeath would play there eventually. 2104 01:16:11,549 --> 01:16:13,483 And, you know, just the heavier 2105 01:16:13,484 --> 01:16:15,285 and heavier bands played at Ruthie's 2106 01:16:15,286 --> 01:16:16,553 'cause you could get away with more. 2107 01:16:16,554 --> 01:16:17,987 You could do anything. 2108 01:16:17,988 --> 01:16:19,255 (laughing) 2109 01:16:19,256 --> 01:16:20,656 - There used to be a club called Ruthie's 2110 01:16:20,657 --> 01:16:21,857 in Berkeley, California, 2111 01:16:21,858 --> 01:16:22,892 I don't think it's there anymore. 2112 01:16:22,893 --> 01:16:24,126 And just sick. 2113 01:16:24,127 --> 01:16:26,728 Again, spit on, been cans thrown at me. 2114 01:16:26,729 --> 01:16:29,030 It was just, as I said before, 2115 01:16:29,031 --> 01:16:30,298 a good training ground. 2116 01:16:30,299 --> 01:16:31,832 You had to learn how to try to get the crowd in. 2117 01:16:31,833 --> 01:16:33,867 I loved it, it was like football practice, 2118 01:16:33,868 --> 01:16:35,135 it was pretty wild. 2119 01:16:35,136 --> 01:16:36,870 - And my first club show that I went to 2120 01:16:36,871 --> 01:16:39,939 was Exciter and Griffin at the Stone 2121 01:16:39,940 --> 01:16:43,676 and my next club show was Possessed and High Rex 2122 01:16:43,677 --> 01:16:46,545 at the Mab, Mabuhe Gardens. 2123 01:16:46,546 --> 01:16:47,746 - [Interviewer] Of course. 2124 01:16:47,747 --> 01:16:50,148 - And then next, not even a few months later, 2125 01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:51,650 I was playing Ruthie's Inn at 15. 2126 01:16:51,651 --> 01:16:54,718 - Then the Stone and all the Stones, 2127 01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:57,121 those were hot spots, as well as Ruthie's Inn 2128 01:16:57,122 --> 01:16:58,856 was here in the East Bay. 2129 01:16:58,857 --> 01:17:01,124 It was a place where a lot of bands played 2130 01:17:01,125 --> 01:17:04,160 and at Ruthie's was an interesting venue 2131 01:17:04,161 --> 01:17:07,362 because one night you'd have punk rock, 2132 01:17:07,363 --> 01:17:09,665 the next night you'd have rock and roll 2133 01:17:09,666 --> 01:17:10,866 and the next night you'd have heavy metal. 2134 01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:12,668 - Ruthie's would have a show Friday, 2135 01:17:12,669 --> 01:17:14,235 Saturday, maybe a Sunday afternoon 2136 01:17:14,236 --> 01:17:16,537 and then Tuesday or Wednesday during the week 2137 01:17:16,538 --> 01:17:20,207 there would be like Death Angel, Forbidden, Evil 2138 01:17:20,208 --> 01:17:22,008 and Legacy, you know, on a Wednesday 2139 01:17:22,009 --> 01:17:23,476 and it would start at six, you know, 2140 01:17:23,477 --> 01:17:24,978 and the headliner would go on 9, 9:30. 2141 01:17:24,979 --> 01:17:27,613 There was so much of a scene that we 2142 01:17:27,614 --> 01:17:29,882 could have that many bands and kids, 2143 01:17:29,883 --> 01:17:30,817 people would show up. 2144 01:17:30,818 --> 01:17:32,284 - I mean, even Armored Saints 2145 01:17:32,285 --> 01:17:36,688 and these bands that we were all compatible in a way. 2146 01:17:36,689 --> 01:17:41,693 I think what we mostly brought were great shows. 2147 01:17:43,094 --> 01:17:47,064 It wasn't necessarily about 2148 01:17:47,065 --> 01:17:48,898 a scene, because the scene was evolving, 2149 01:17:48,899 --> 01:17:51,300 the scene was sort of coming together 2150 01:17:51,301 --> 01:17:54,036 sort of harmoniously between the bands, 2151 01:17:54,037 --> 01:17:56,338 especially at the beginning. 2152 01:17:56,339 --> 01:17:58,506 - Nobody knew exactly where it was gonna go 2153 01:17:58,507 --> 01:18:03,511 and it grew in self, when Ruthie's Inn opened, 2154 01:18:04,713 --> 01:18:08,181 it just opened up a whole new field. 2155 01:18:08,182 --> 01:18:11,718 I mean, Ruthie's Inn, the guy who ran Ruthie's Inn 2156 01:18:11,719 --> 01:18:13,553 was willing to put on anything 2157 01:18:13,554 --> 01:18:15,287 that would put money in his pocket 2158 01:18:15,288 --> 01:18:19,424 and metal just like, it was the perfect home 2159 01:18:19,425 --> 01:18:20,626 for it, you know. 2160 01:18:20,627 --> 01:18:23,261 There was no problem with the police. 2161 01:18:23,262 --> 01:18:24,829 We were standing down in the street. 2162 01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:26,163 - They weren't gonna come down to where it was. 2163 01:18:26,164 --> 01:18:27,865 - They didn't want to come to that area 2164 01:18:27,866 --> 01:18:30,433 and it was just a perfect, 2165 01:18:30,434 --> 01:18:32,836 it was the perfect storm for metal. 2166 01:18:32,837 --> 01:18:34,671 - You remember Day on the Green, right? 2167 01:18:34,672 --> 01:18:36,505 Well, West Robinson had Day on the Dirt. 2168 01:18:36,506 --> 01:18:38,641 And it was at Aquatic Park in Berkeley. 2169 01:18:38,642 --> 01:18:41,343 And it was a hell of a bill, 2170 01:18:41,344 --> 01:18:42,744 It was Blue Cheer, 2171 01:18:42,745 --> 01:18:47,315 it was Suicidal Tendencies, Exodus, Slayer, us, 2172 01:18:47,316 --> 01:18:49,284 Roadrunner anda bunch of other bands. 2173 01:18:49,285 --> 01:18:54,289 - Well, I remember us playing a festival called- 2174 01:18:55,156 --> 01:18:56,589 - [Interviewer] Dirt Fest? 2175 01:18:56,590 --> 01:18:58,057 - Day on the Dirt, instead of Day on the Green, 2176 01:18:58,058 --> 01:19:00,426 it was Day on the Dirt and it was all punk bands, 2177 01:19:00,427 --> 01:19:02,696 Exodus, Suicidal was playing. 2178 01:19:03,896 --> 01:19:05,864 It's amazing. 2179 01:19:05,865 --> 01:19:07,499 - We played Ruthie's Inn a lot. 2180 01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:09,100 That was the place. 2181 01:19:09,101 --> 01:19:14,039 And there's that guy named Wes, who's the book man. 2182 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:16,041 You go in there and you say at his house 2183 01:19:16,042 --> 01:19:17,740 and you played a show 2184 01:19:17,741 --> 01:19:20,510 and every band I talked to, 2185 01:19:20,511 --> 01:19:22,745 he owed everyone money. 2186 01:19:22,746 --> 01:19:26,215 I'm sure he still owes us money, too, 2187 01:19:27,383 --> 01:19:29,651 but again, that was a cool scene. 2188 01:19:29,652 --> 01:19:31,085 We played with a lot of bands. 2189 01:19:31,086 --> 01:19:35,056 Like I remember when Legacy opened for us. 2190 01:19:35,057 --> 01:19:39,327 Alex was like 16 or something like that, you know. 2191 01:19:40,661 --> 01:19:43,229 And yeah, I still have a lot of memories 2192 01:19:43,230 --> 01:19:45,364 of that place fresh in my mind 2193 01:19:45,365 --> 01:19:47,066 'cause they were fun shows. 2194 01:19:47,067 --> 01:19:48,667 - When it came our first opportunity 2195 01:19:48,668 --> 01:19:52,003 to play a show, I went and talked to Wes Robinson 2196 01:19:52,004 --> 01:19:55,506 at Ruthie's Inn and I was a snot nose cocky kid, 2197 01:19:55,507 --> 01:19:57,241 you know, and I was like hey, I got this band 2198 01:19:57,242 --> 01:19:59,643 and I was like acting manager, the youngest guy in the band. 2199 01:19:59,644 --> 01:20:01,078 Ralph's like go talk to him. 2200 01:20:01,079 --> 01:20:03,180 He's like you go talk to him, 2201 01:20:03,181 --> 01:20:06,148 so I did and we got offered the Metal Church show 2202 01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:07,883 for the Eastern Front. 2203 01:20:07,884 --> 01:20:10,653 It was all these Eastern Front series of shows 2204 01:20:10,654 --> 01:20:12,620 where no one knew they were really being recorded for it, 2205 01:20:12,621 --> 01:20:14,055 but we were. 2206 01:20:14,056 --> 01:20:16,725 And so we played with Metal Church that night, 2207 01:20:16,726 --> 01:20:19,660 opened the whole show and people pretty much 2208 01:20:19,661 --> 01:20:21,128 freaked out for us the first time. 2209 01:20:21,129 --> 01:20:23,364 - Yeah, Broadway Avenue in San Francisco. 2210 01:20:23,365 --> 01:20:25,132 - During that area. 2211 01:20:25,133 --> 01:20:27,033 - The two-block stretch had the Stone, 2212 01:20:27,034 --> 01:20:30,136 the Chi-Chi Club, the Mab, which is now 2213 01:20:30,137 --> 01:20:32,472 the Rock on Broadway, which is upstairs. 2214 01:20:32,473 --> 01:20:34,539 That was a special little area 2215 01:20:34,540 --> 01:20:37,843 and, of course, all your wonderful strip clubs. 2216 01:20:37,844 --> 01:20:39,778 But in San Francisco. 2217 01:20:39,779 --> 01:20:41,912 - For 20-something musicians that was 2218 01:20:41,913 --> 01:20:43,347 a great moment in time. 2219 01:20:43,348 --> 01:20:45,649 - Then we had our friend Brent Turner 2220 01:20:45,650 --> 01:20:47,851 open up the Rock on Broadway. 2221 01:20:47,852 --> 01:20:49,619 - He did real well there for a while 2222 01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:50,954 until he started having his bouncer 2223 01:20:50,955 --> 01:20:52,589 throw people down that flight of stairs. 2224 01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:55,858 Two-story flight of stairs, straight line, 2225 01:20:55,859 --> 01:21:00,829 Don Chichi would just like ah! 2226 01:21:01,730 --> 01:21:02,964 - A band could play Oakland 2227 01:21:02,965 --> 01:21:04,966 and in that same month play San Francisco 2228 01:21:04,967 --> 01:21:07,068 and still draw 250 people, 2229 01:21:07,069 --> 01:21:08,301 which is unheard of now. 2230 01:21:08,302 --> 01:21:10,404 But it was a different scene back then. 2231 01:21:10,405 --> 01:21:12,906 - John Nadie with some of the money he made 2232 01:21:12,907 --> 01:21:14,141 off the Nadie System stuff, 2233 01:21:14,142 --> 01:21:15,674 he opened up the Omni in Oakland. 2234 01:21:15,675 --> 01:21:17,476 I'd go to a lot of shows there. 2235 01:21:17,477 --> 01:21:20,613 I saw probably every local metal band, 2236 01:21:20,614 --> 01:21:22,680 I mean Vicious Rumors. 2237 01:21:22,681 --> 01:21:25,183 Testament when they were Legacy. 2238 01:21:25,184 --> 01:21:27,919 Blind Illusion with Les Claypool, Trauma 2239 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,319 with Cliff Burton. 2240 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,122 - After the Stone and everything kind of tamed down, 2241 01:21:32,123 --> 01:21:34,925 the Omni in Oakland was the place. 2242 01:21:34,926 --> 01:21:36,893 - Yeah, none of this conversation could happen 2243 01:21:36,894 --> 01:21:38,127 without mentioning. 2244 01:21:38,128 --> 01:21:39,929 - Yeah, the Omni was essential, 2245 01:21:39,930 --> 01:21:41,664 just as essential and important. 2246 01:21:41,665 --> 01:21:44,332 - And the thing about, especially about the Omni was 2247 01:21:44,333 --> 01:21:46,968 you would go in there and all the bands 2248 01:21:46,969 --> 01:21:48,136 would be in there. 2249 01:21:48,137 --> 01:21:51,038 So, you know, not playing, 2250 01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:53,307 just having beers or whatever 2251 01:21:53,308 --> 01:21:54,775 and there was kind of a rule 2252 01:21:54,776 --> 01:21:56,276 that you didn't talk to the bands, 2253 01:21:56,277 --> 01:21:57,544 you just sort of left them alone 2254 01:21:57,545 --> 01:21:59,746 and me being me, I did not leave 2255 01:21:59,747 --> 01:22:01,181 any of them alone. 2256 01:22:01,182 --> 01:22:02,681 I was like oh, dude, you know, 2257 01:22:02,682 --> 01:22:04,683 I can't believe I'm meeting you, you know, whatever. 2258 01:22:04,684 --> 01:22:06,952 And they were all just unbelievably cool 2259 01:22:06,953 --> 01:22:10,455 and they all would give me tapes 2260 01:22:10,456 --> 01:22:13,224 and, you know, at the time it was all tapes 2261 01:22:13,225 --> 01:22:16,927 and I grew into it really big 2262 01:22:16,928 --> 01:22:20,864 in the late 80s up into the early 90s. 2263 01:22:20,865 --> 01:22:22,532 - Or even bands like Lynch Mob, 2264 01:22:22,533 --> 01:22:24,467 you know George Lynch's project. 2265 01:22:24,468 --> 01:22:25,734 They would play these three rooms 2266 01:22:25,735 --> 01:22:28,370 and three or four dates in the Bay Area, 2267 01:22:28,371 --> 01:22:30,238 sometimes getting an outside promoter 2268 01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:32,640 and they would still do like 800 tickets a night. 2269 01:22:32,641 --> 01:22:34,642 - All of the bands were very lucky. 2270 01:22:34,643 --> 01:22:38,078 There was a good variety of clubs to play, you know 2271 01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:39,813 and a good following when you got there. 2272 01:22:39,814 --> 01:22:42,583 Just very proud to be part of that whole area, 2273 01:22:42,584 --> 01:22:44,550 that whole scene that just sprung up, 2274 01:22:44,551 --> 01:22:46,052 it was wonderful. 2275 01:22:46,053 --> 01:22:48,187 - But we had these great places to play 2276 01:22:48,188 --> 01:22:49,388 where you could put on shows. 2277 01:22:49,389 --> 01:22:51,189 - With really big stages. 2278 01:22:51,190 --> 01:22:53,625 - Yeah, and pyro because my manager 2279 01:22:53,626 --> 01:22:55,160 could finagle his freaking way 2280 01:22:55,161 --> 01:22:57,095 into saying it's gonna be really small. 2281 01:22:57,096 --> 01:22:59,096 I don't know how many stages we set on fire 2282 01:22:59,097 --> 01:23:01,966 or blew holes in the roof. 2283 01:23:01,967 --> 01:23:03,267 - [Narrator] The world took notice. 2284 01:23:03,268 --> 01:23:06,202 Soon the Bay Area bands were touring the planet, 2285 01:23:06,203 --> 01:23:08,071 appearing at many of the prestigious 2286 01:23:08,072 --> 01:23:10,473 European clubs and festivals. 2287 01:23:10,474 --> 01:23:12,641 The record labels started to sign them 2288 01:23:12,642 --> 01:23:16,111 one after another, gaining them international acclaim. 2289 01:23:16,112 --> 01:23:19,114 (heavy metal music) 2290 01:23:20,716 --> 01:23:24,018 - Finally, when we went over in 82 to the U.K., 2291 01:23:24,019 --> 01:23:26,953 we went over there to record the "Black Tiger" record, 2292 01:23:26,954 --> 01:23:29,823 we met with some of the Aandamp;M guys over there 2293 01:23:29,824 --> 01:23:31,758 and they're like, I don't know 2294 01:23:31,759 --> 01:23:34,159 what your American counter partners do, 2295 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,929 but we're kicking ass over here for you guys. 2296 01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:39,898 You guys are, you know, you guys are taking off 2297 01:23:39,899 --> 01:23:41,666 and you haven't even played a show here yet. 2298 01:23:41,667 --> 01:23:43,101 And we were like, you know, 2299 01:23:43,102 --> 01:23:45,003 we had seen some of the stuff, 2300 01:23:45,004 --> 01:23:47,337 but we didn't know what was actually happening 2301 01:23:47,338 --> 01:23:49,373 until we started playing shows over there. 2302 01:23:49,374 --> 01:23:51,108 - What's interesting is that the scene 2303 01:23:51,109 --> 01:23:54,310 that was in San Francisco was just maniacal and crazy 2304 01:23:54,311 --> 01:23:57,647 as it was, this scene started to spread everywhere else. 2305 01:23:57,648 --> 01:23:58,681 I mean the Anthrax guys saw it 2306 01:23:58,682 --> 01:24:01,316 in their turf in New York. 2307 01:24:01,317 --> 01:24:03,985 You know, as we did the "Killing Is My Business" tour 2308 01:24:03,986 --> 01:24:05,287 and went across the country, 2309 01:24:05,288 --> 01:24:08,122 you could see that scene was building everywhere, 2310 01:24:08,123 --> 01:24:09,690 you know, across the country 2311 01:24:09,691 --> 01:24:11,358 and then as we all started to go to Europe, 2312 01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:12,593 it was like okay, this is new scene. 2313 01:24:12,594 --> 01:24:15,061 This isn't even the old of new wave of British 2314 01:24:15,062 --> 01:24:15,896 heavy metal scene, 2315 01:24:15,897 --> 01:24:17,363 this is a brand new one. 2316 01:24:17,364 --> 01:24:19,499 - Because when we first went to New York 2317 01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:21,433 for the first time, we toured with Venom and Slayer, 2318 01:24:21,434 --> 01:24:25,137 like we were doing interviews and like talking to people, 2319 01:24:25,138 --> 01:24:27,738 yeah, we heard you on W blah, blah, blah 2320 01:24:27,739 --> 01:24:29,740 in fucking Syracuse, New York 2321 01:24:29,741 --> 01:24:32,677 and like people were putting in the word back then 2322 01:24:32,678 --> 01:24:35,679 to like, you know, get this music out there 2323 01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:36,980 and get it heard. 2324 01:24:36,981 --> 01:24:38,315 - Every time we tried to form something 2325 01:24:38,316 --> 01:24:39,783 in the Bay Area with the people that were there, 2326 01:24:39,784 --> 01:24:42,818 it turned into drama and disaster 2327 01:24:42,819 --> 01:24:44,119 and it's still that way, 2328 01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:45,621 'cause I still have property there, 2329 01:24:45,622 --> 01:24:46,556 so it's the place. 2330 01:24:46,557 --> 01:24:47,923 I thought it was the place then, 2331 01:24:47,924 --> 01:24:49,357 now I know that it's true, it was the place. 2332 01:24:49,358 --> 01:24:51,859 You know, so if I imported people from Chicago, 2333 01:24:51,860 --> 01:24:54,429 it went better and the Chicago guys 2334 01:24:54,430 --> 01:24:56,096 were like meat eaters, 2335 01:24:56,097 --> 01:24:57,598 they were like, they were like ready to kill people, 2336 01:24:57,599 --> 01:24:59,533 you know, like let's go out and play, come on man. 2337 01:24:59,534 --> 01:25:01,501 And the Bay Area guys are like well, man, 2338 01:25:01,502 --> 01:25:03,669 you know, after we done smoking some joints, 2339 01:25:03,670 --> 01:25:06,172 I guess we'll, you know it was like totally different guys. 2340 01:25:06,173 --> 01:25:07,940 - It you look at the different, the different scenes 2341 01:25:07,941 --> 01:25:09,474 that there are 2342 01:25:09,475 --> 01:25:11,176 with Florida having the death metal scene 2343 01:25:11,177 --> 01:25:13,945 and, you know, San Francisco being considered 2344 01:25:13,946 --> 01:25:16,013 the thrash metal scene 2345 01:25:16,014 --> 01:25:18,148 and L.A. being considered the hair metal scene 2346 01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:20,751 and, you know, with all these different things 2347 01:25:20,752 --> 01:25:23,553 that are going on, it's kind of 2348 01:25:23,554 --> 01:25:26,656 a like-minded mentality, you know. 2349 01:25:26,657 --> 01:25:30,659 And I think that's why certain scenes thrive 2350 01:25:30,660 --> 01:25:31,994 because all the bands 2351 01:25:31,995 --> 01:25:33,962 are doing certain things the same. 2352 01:25:33,963 --> 01:25:36,231 - The Bay Area metal scene is, 2353 01:25:36,232 --> 01:25:37,165 even though it got a lot of publicity 2354 01:25:37,166 --> 01:25:38,466 in the underground presence, 2355 01:25:38,467 --> 01:25:40,001 it never got the mainstream publicity 2356 01:25:40,002 --> 01:25:43,570 that L.A. got from metal or what Seattle got for grunge 2357 01:25:43,571 --> 01:25:44,971 and even our history books 2358 01:25:44,972 --> 01:25:48,341 that cover the history of the Bay Area, 2359 01:25:48,342 --> 01:25:50,043 even in articles, they always talk about 2360 01:25:50,044 --> 01:25:53,412 the Summer of Love in the 60s with the Jefferson Airplane 2361 01:25:53,413 --> 01:25:55,581 or the Grateful Dead or whatever 2362 01:25:55,582 --> 01:25:57,782 and they even cover the 70s punk explosion 2363 01:25:57,783 --> 01:26:00,051 in the Bay Area with the Dead Kennedys, 2364 01:26:00,052 --> 01:26:02,654 the Nuns and the Avengers and things like that. 2365 01:26:02,655 --> 01:26:04,888 And then of course we had the classic rock, 2366 01:26:04,889 --> 01:26:07,190 Journey, Night Ranger, Santana. 2367 01:26:07,191 --> 01:26:09,159 You know Huey Lewis and the News, 2368 01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:10,094 and all that stuff, 2369 01:26:10,095 --> 01:26:11,193 that gets a lot of publicity. 2370 01:26:11,194 --> 01:26:12,495 And of course Metallica does, 2371 01:26:12,496 --> 01:26:13,729 because they were from here 2372 01:26:13,730 --> 01:26:15,331 because they had so much success 2373 01:26:15,332 --> 01:26:17,433 and sold so many millions of records, 2374 01:26:17,434 --> 01:26:19,668 but then the whole overall metal scene, 2375 01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:21,636 which was out here, which I had worldwide success 2376 01:26:21,637 --> 01:26:24,205 seems to get ignored or overlooked 2377 01:26:24,206 --> 01:26:26,273 and I think that's just a crime and an atrocity. 2378 01:26:26,274 --> 01:26:29,277 (heavy metal music) 2379 01:26:56,767 --> 01:26:58,034 - One time I was hanging out with Lemmy 2380 01:26:58,035 --> 01:27:01,603 and, you know, and he's know to be so hard core 2381 01:27:01,604 --> 01:27:04,339 and we just, I just played with Skid Row 2382 01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:05,574 and Hammer Sathotia. 2383 01:27:05,575 --> 01:27:08,109 At the end of the show, all of us in Skid Row, 2384 01:27:08,110 --> 01:27:10,144 Yngwie got on stage and Lemmy and Robert Plant were there 2385 01:27:10,145 --> 01:27:11,713 and Lemmy got on stage 2386 01:27:11,714 --> 01:27:13,346 and we did "Train Kept A-Rollin'." 2387 01:27:13,347 --> 01:27:16,283 And Lemmy, I was standing right next Lemmy 2388 01:27:16,284 --> 01:27:18,085 'cause I was like man, this is the Hammer Sethotia 2389 01:27:18,086 --> 01:27:19,319 and Lemmy's here and this is the first time 2390 01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,053 I played here and he went over to the bass, 2391 01:27:21,054 --> 01:27:23,355 he had his bass on and he just put his hand 2392 01:27:23,356 --> 01:27:25,491 across the top and it just went (imitating ripping). 2393 01:27:25,492 --> 01:27:28,060 Then he looked at me and goes, this is my settings. 2394 01:27:28,928 --> 01:27:29,961 And so after we did the show. 2395 01:27:29,962 --> 01:27:31,396 We were walking down the street 2396 01:27:31,397 --> 01:27:33,398 and I had like these leather pants with rings, 2397 01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:35,532 so I looked kind of, still kind of glammy 2398 01:27:35,533 --> 01:27:37,634 whatever you want to call it, 2399 01:27:37,635 --> 01:27:38,869 to me it was rock and roll. 2400 01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:40,870 It's like, you know, the Stooges glam, 2401 01:27:40,871 --> 01:27:43,606 I don't know, to me it's just rock and roll, you know. 2402 01:27:43,607 --> 01:27:44,907 So walking down the street, 2403 01:27:44,908 --> 01:27:46,109 I'm walking next to Lemmy 2404 01:27:46,110 --> 01:27:47,310 and there's a big party we're going to. 2405 01:27:47,311 --> 01:27:48,277 And some kid comes up and yells to Lemmy 2406 01:27:48,278 --> 01:27:50,545 hey, Lemmy, that guy's a poser. 2407 01:27:50,546 --> 01:27:53,115 He's wearing the, look at those pants, 2408 01:27:53,116 --> 01:27:54,482 what a fag or something like that. 2409 01:27:54,483 --> 01:27:56,517 And he goes, hey, shut the fuck up 2410 01:27:56,518 --> 01:27:57,685 you snot nose. 2411 01:27:57,686 --> 01:27:59,787 He goes, those trousers are rock and roll. 2412 01:27:59,788 --> 01:28:01,254 It's about getting pussy. 2413 01:28:01,255 --> 01:28:02,822 If I could get my ass in there 2414 01:28:02,823 --> 01:28:04,324 I'd wear them too if I got laid tonight. 2415 01:28:04,325 --> 01:28:06,994 And the guy's like oh, sorry Lemmy. 2416 01:28:08,361 --> 01:28:13,165 - I saw Steeler up in Sacramento play a warehouse 2417 01:28:13,166 --> 01:28:15,199 and I wish I could recall all the details 2418 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,567 of why they ended up in a warehouse, 2419 01:28:16,568 --> 01:28:20,338 but show up, I'm all excited to see Steeler 2420 01:28:20,339 --> 01:28:22,773 and Yngwie's not there on guitar. 2421 01:28:22,774 --> 01:28:23,907 It's this guy Kurt James, 2422 01:28:23,908 --> 01:28:25,075 who was a great player, 2423 01:28:25,076 --> 01:28:27,177 don't get me wrong, he's fabulous. 2424 01:28:27,178 --> 01:28:29,311 And so, I watch the show, 2425 01:28:29,312 --> 01:28:30,346 they play the whole record. 2426 01:28:30,347 --> 01:28:31,547 It's all good everything 2427 01:28:31,548 --> 01:28:33,048 and I go to Ron at the show, 2428 01:28:33,049 --> 01:28:34,750 "Where's Yngwie, where's your 2429 01:28:34,751 --> 01:28:36,384 guitar player, where's Yngwie?" 2430 01:28:36,385 --> 01:28:40,155 He goes, "Yngwie Malmsteen is a penis with fingers." 2431 01:28:40,156 --> 01:28:42,423 And I still remember that quote. 2432 01:28:42,424 --> 01:28:44,458 - I played with then at Hunt Sound that day, 2433 01:28:44,459 --> 01:28:45,993 and there was this rich woman 2434 01:28:45,994 --> 01:28:47,394 named Sally Procter that lived 2435 01:28:47,395 --> 01:28:49,529 and she was like the heiress to Procter andamp; Gamble 2436 01:28:49,530 --> 01:28:50,797 and she was a big partyer and 2437 01:28:50,798 --> 01:28:53,166 he had a warehouse with all the sound equipment 2438 01:28:53,167 --> 01:28:54,867 in Navado, so she called me that day 2439 01:28:54,868 --> 01:28:56,335 and I was rehearsing with all them 2440 01:28:56,336 --> 01:28:59,304 and she goes, I got Metallica up here 2441 01:28:59,305 --> 01:29:01,139 at my studio. 2442 01:29:01,140 --> 01:29:02,874 Come up here and sing Led Zeppelin songs 2443 01:29:02,875 --> 01:29:04,842 'cause James didn't want to 2444 01:29:04,843 --> 01:29:06,377 or he was too high or something. 2445 01:29:06,378 --> 01:29:07,978 I don't know what it was, 2446 01:29:07,979 --> 01:29:10,047 so I came up there totally high out of my mind, right, 2447 01:29:10,048 --> 01:29:12,682 and sang Led Zeppelin songs with Metallica. 2448 01:29:12,683 --> 01:29:14,618 - This mother fucker probably has something to say. 2449 01:29:16,187 --> 01:29:17,553 - Hello. 2450 01:29:17,554 --> 01:29:18,955 Georgio, what's up. 2451 01:29:20,089 --> 01:29:21,624 - We're talking Bay Area metal dude. 2452 01:29:22,826 --> 01:29:24,359 Good for you. - Good for you. 2453 01:29:25,594 --> 01:29:28,597 (heavy metal music) 2454 01:29:52,617 --> 01:29:55,787 (technological music) 2455 01:29:57,722 --> 01:30:01,658 (heavy metal guitar shredding)